US & Israel attack Iran

Blue Mist said:
I dont deny we were involved in the coup, as to who was leading is debatable. Why would america, the CIA be interested in a British problem?

I have never shied away from highlighting British failings, Burma, Israel (the whole of North Africa- Middle East) and many more. Indeed, I was told by a poster on here that if I hated my country so much I should fuck off out of it.

The difference between our two countries is we have left our colonial aggression behind. We dont seek to rule the world by organising illegal arms sales to Iran to fund a right wing guerilla war in Nicaragua.

I could carry on naming the many violent interventions by america since the 60's but I won't.

My point is, everyone seems happy to blame trump when every/most US Presidents have been involved in (illegal) military interventions around the world.
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Because MI6 convinced them Mossadegh was a communist sympathizer, and as America's primary European ally the UK's interests are to some extent America's interests. You can read about it but the UK worked on Truman for months.

I don't agree that the UK has necessarily left imperial aggression behind. There are people in NI and Iraq who would disagree with that among others. Certainly the UK/European ability to project power has changed and you're right that the US has been the primary bad actor since WWII.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Actually it wouldn't.
There are floating platforms in the North Sea that are now producing a lot less than there were.
Preparing the seabed for floating production platforms could be done now and the floating platforms repositioned before October over a weekend - thus producing more North Sea oil and gas by Autumn.

I have a friend who works with oil companies in the North Sea and they are ready to go now.
The energy secretary still says no...

Mental.
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But it still doesn’t make it cheaper! So we are in the same situation
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Just doesnt look that way tbh. Russia, NK, etc.. They look like their people are living under a dictatorship. China somehow seems different. Not defending them but I do suspect we are subjected to a massive amount of anti chinese propaganda. Not sure what they've done wrong tbh, in general. I mean the the shit they are doing in the South China Seas, constantly trying turn the countries around them, its all quite American isnt it?

Russia yeah, invaded Ukrain, Putin ex KGB, Polonium twats.... Are China really on a par with that? What threat are they? I mean more than America right now what threat do China pose to the UK and the world?

To me, it sounds like they are quietly getting on with things whilst the rest of the world is trying to steal land.
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Just think about this logically. Would you rather live in China or the UK? Think about it very carefully and give one single reason why you'd pick China because you apparently see no problem with China? We all know the answer but nobody is prepared to admit it because that goes against the obsessive anti-west narrative.

For a start would you even be freely posting on this forum in China? Not a chance because in China you can't get involved in politics because there is no politics and there is no freedom of politics or democracy, there is just one party! The North Koreans have a literal caste system where your standard of living is tied to your loyalty to the regime and those opposing are simply exiled, impoverished or killed.

Try voting out Putin, try voting out the Iranian regime, try voting out Kim Jong Un, try voting out Xi Jinping. If you even express such opinions then you could be imprisoned or killed. How is this in anyway advantageous or better? I would choose to live in the west every single second of every day above those countries and so would you.

Nothing sums this up than any criticism of Donald Trump because you can criticise Trump, we all criticise Trump and even the American media criticises Trump. However, the fact is that if Americans don't like Trump then he can be voted out. Meanwhile if you don't like the Chinese regime then you have no choice but to suffer in silence.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Actually it wouldn't.
There are floating platforms in the North Sea that are now producing a lot less than there were.
Preparing the seabed for floating production platforms could be done now and the floating platforms repositioned before October over a weekend - thus producing more North Sea oil and gas by Autumn.

I have a friend who works with oil companies in the North Sea and they are ready to go now.
The energy secretary still says no...

Mental.
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As I understand it, North Sea oil is extracted by private companies who sell the oil for export on the international market rather than for UK domestic use. Additionally, I don’t think we have the refining capacity anyway.

If the argument is strategic ie we nationalise NS oil production, drill more oil and refine and use it domestically this may hedge against shortages, but the price will still be determined by the markets and we will also need to invest in refineries. All of this to extract more oil in a mature field.

It still makes more sense to insulate energy production from the risk of global oil shocks via renewables. Also, world production comfortably exceeds oil demand. The current problem is logistical rather than production.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


The Lib Dem’s leader Sir Ed Davey in Parliament this morning with a question to Starmer incase it was missed.

“President Trump has threatened to rip up his trade agreement”
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Whilst most of us would agree the Government should stop the King from going based on Trump’s behaviour (and I suspect the majority in the HoC too), Starmer is looking at it more objectively and thinking longer term post Trump administration.

He’s in an awkward position, but has probably made the right call.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Just think about this logically. Would you rather live in China or the UK? Think about it very carefully and give one single reason why you'd pick China because you apparently see no problem with China? We all know the answer but nobody is prepared to admit it because that goes against the obsessive anti-west narrative.

For a start would you even be freely posting on this forum in China? Not a chance because in China you can't get involved in politics because there is no politics and there is no freedom of politics or democracy, there is just one party! The North Koreans have a literal caste system where your standard of living is tied to your loyalty to the regime and those opposing are simply exiled, impoverished or killed.

Try voting out Putin, try voting out the Iranian regime, try voting out Kim Jong Un, try voting out Xi Jinping. If you even express such opinions then you could be imprisoned or killed. How is this in anyway advantageous or better? I would choose to live in the west every single second of every day above those countries and so would you.

Nothing sums this up than any criticism of Donald Trump because you can criticise Trump, we all criticise Trump and even the American media criticises Trump. However, the fact is that if Americans don't like Trump then he can be voted out. Meanwhile if you don't like the Chinese regime then you have no choice but to suffer in silence.
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Not sure what you're on about.

I'm talking about threats to the world. They are not. America are.
 
argyle said:
Google what China does to political dissidents, what they have done to the Uyghurs, the Kazahks and Kyrgyz, also the Hui Muslims.

I get people on here are angry at Trump's government and Netanyahu but let's not act like the Chinese government are good just because they haven't done what they have done.
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It is one of several unique features of this war that when an unstable and irrational leader both threatens genocide and has the capability to deliver it, it makes some of the most despicable regimes on the planet look like the good guys
 
WT86 said:
Because MI6 convinced them Mossadegh was a communist sympathizer, and as America's primary European ally the UK's interests are to some extent America's interests. You can read about it but the UK worked on Truman for months.

I don't agree that the UK has necessarily left imperial aggression behind. There are people in NI and Iraq who would disagree with that among others. Certainly the UK/European ability to project power has changed and you're right that the US has been the primary bad actor since WWII.
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This is the first time I've heard helping our best buddies destroy a nation and get rid of Saddam be called a form of British imperial aggression.

I thought it was because the US lied about WMD's and the War Criminal Blair wanted to keep friends with his best buddies.
(I notice the US are still trotting out the WMD lie, this time about Iran, only now, no one is falling for it)
 
Blue Mist said:
This is the first time I've heard helping our best buddies destroy a nation and get rid of Saddam be called a form of British imperial aggression.

I thought it was because the US lied about WMD's and the War Criminal Blair wanted to keep friends with his best buddies.
(I notice the US are still trotting out the WMD lie, this time about Iran, only now, no one is falling for it)
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What would you call it? Germany and France among others seemed to be able to see through the WMD story with lesser access to US intelligence and strategic thinking. I'm not sure why anybody involved in going into Iraq would get a pass.
 
WT86 said:
What would you call it? Germany and France among others seemed to be able to see through the WMD story with lesser access to US intelligence and strategic thinking. I'm not sure why anybody involved in going into Iraq would get a pass.
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I'm sorry you've lost me. My point was Blair lied to the British people to appease his puppet master, the US president. Many British people saw through the lie as did other countries.
It wasn't British imperialism it was a lap dog looking for rewards
 
Blue Mist said:
I'm sorry you've lost me. My point was Blair lied to the British people to appease his puppet master, the US president. Many British people saw through the lie as did other countries.
It wasn't British imperialism it was a lap dog looking for rewards
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Bigger question is did he get any?

He got voted out for being a lapdog, didn't he?
 
WT86 said:
Because MI6 convinced them Mossadegh was a communist sympathizer, and as America's primary European ally the UK's interests are to some extent America's interests. You can read about it but the UK worked on Truman for months...
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The UK? You mean Churchill.
 
Blue Mist said:
I'm sorry you've lost me. My point was Blair lied to the British people to appease his puppet master, the US president. Many British people saw through the lie as did other countries.
It wasn't British imperialism it was a lap dog looking for rewards
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So it's not imperialism to invade another country if it's motivated by a PM and his party's belief the US are his mates? You don't really believe that.
 
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