PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Stoned Rose]

It's beginning to stretch the limits of credulity now to believe that, barring external factors such as the withdrawal of a panel member, there is still no decision. It's stretching it even more to suggest that the panel will reach their decision, rather conveniently, in the comparitively short period between the end of the season and the beginning of the world cup.

If it were true that, there is that sort of timeline for the decision to be made public, it would suggest that the decision is known, otherwise, what grounds would the parties have to agree to it ?

My take is the decision is made, but not yet handed down, with City and the PL cunts agreeing the panel should release it at the end of season.

Both city and the PL, having full awareness of the evidence and having sat through the hearing, will 100% know which way the wind has blown.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Is non-cooperation an offence in itself? Hiding evidence of guilt probably is but is it relevant if we're innocent?

It is an offence, but wouldn’t give us a “sporting advantage”, so wouldn’t result in a points deduction.

 

[abu13]

The end of the season would be an ideal time to release the result, no league press conferences, players away on holiday before going straight to world cup duty. The world cup itself as a distraction. And by then Trump as Israel will have us all fucked with no fuel or food.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Is non-cooperation an offence in itself? Hiding evidence of guilt probably is but is it relevant if we're innocent?

Well it was at CAS.

 

[jamielowndes]

Is non-cooperation an offence in itself? Hiding evidence of guilt probably is but is it relevant if we're innocent?

I think the sanction for this likely depends on what they find.

If there is clear evidence of cheating, then actively hiding this from an investigation is going to look pretty awful.

On the flip side, if there isn't and everything we provided shows we're operating completely legally, it can't really be much more than a financial slap on the wrist.

 

[citizen_maine]

I think the sanction for this likely depends on what they find.

If there is clear evidence of cheating, then actively hiding this from an investigation is going to look pretty awful.

On the flip side, if there isn't and everything we provided shows we're operating completely legally, it can't really be much more than a financial slap on the wrist.

If there's clear evidence of cheating, then non co-operation will be the least of our worries

 

[SatOnTheWall]

I just don't see how it could take so long to reach a decision if either side had presented irrifutable evidence. Highly unlikely we will get a verdict until the league is settled but surely we are inching closer to judgement day. I feel the verdict may have something in it for both sides which avoids draconian penalties for us but yields enough justification for them bringing the charges forward.

Assuming the KCs are able to work on it. They may have hardly done anything. It may be a very low priority to them.

I have no idea.

 

[Kinkybyname]

I'm calling draw, with a replay to be scheduled sometime in early 2027

 

[Father Paul]

I imagine the time taken is more to do with writing up the decisions and reasoning based on the piles of evidence, rather than just making a decision.

The panel have probably had the decision between them for a long time, but they can't release that without thoroughly documented reasoning in a case like this.

Are you saying they make a nominal decision and then set about trying to justify it?

I would say that while they may have had certain inclinations at the end of the hearings no formal decision will have been made for some considerable time. If they did arrive at a decision they should have been able to release a summary with the full explanatory text to follow.

My main point stands, that being neither side is likely to have struck a knock out blow by providing a definitive case and the delay has arisen from a cloud of confusion and uncertainty.

 

[mattcity5]

Are you saying they make a nominal decision and then set about trying to justify it?

I would say that while they may have had certain inclinations at the end of the hearings no formal decision will have been made for some considerable time. If they did arrive at a decision they should have been able to release a summary with the full explanatory text to follow.

My main point stands, that being neither side is likely to have struck a knock out blow by providing a definitive case and the delay has arisen from a cloud of confusion and uncertainty.

No, but they'd review all the evidence and then I'd guess they'd then write up everything. Seems likeliest to me that the decision gets made before the write-up. I might be wrong though.

It's a huge complex case though which I think may well prevent releasing the decision with only a summary.

 

[Legalamb777]

I believe Khaldoon and have the upmost faith with his assertion re that we have done nothing wrong,but the ONE thing that has ALWAYS worried me about this IC panel who are going to give their judgement on the case.
We know that bar the fine for non-cooperation CAS found us not guilty,but it wasn’t unanimous…using a boxing terminology it was a split decision……..one of the cunts thought we were guilty.
Ok…it was the Judge chosen by UEFA,but still……

 

[jamielowndes]

If there's clear evidence of cheating, then non co-operation will be the least of our worries

Also true.

 

[SilverFox2]

I imagine the time taken is more to do with writing up the decisions and reasoning based on the piles of evidence, rather than just making a decision.

The panel have probably had the decision between them for a long time, but they can't release that without thoroughly documented reasoning in a case like this.

But surely if they have made their decision they will have based it on the things they are having difficulty documenting?
The suspicion would be they are trying to make the documents fit their gut feeling which is not necessarily correct if it is taking so long.

 

[burning blue soul]

I think the whole deliberation has ground to a halt because they cannot determine if its a decimal point or a squashed bug on the document.
Forensics have been called.

 

[Centurions]

I think the sanction for this likely depends on what they find.

...

Are you a leading KC by any chance?

;)

 

[jamielowndes]

Are you a leading KC by any chance?

;)

No but I have one in my email contacts :D

 

[mattcity5]

But surely if they have made their decision they will have based it on the things they are having difficulty documenting?
The suspicion would be they are trying to make the documents fit their gut feeling which is not necessarily correct if it is taking so long.

Dunno. I know if I were doing something that required a lot of analysis I'd do the analysis first, make notes and come to any conclusions, then write up anything that would be shown to stakeholders explaining things after.

I'm not sure it'd really be possible to write stuff up as you go while not having made a decision. You could end up contradicting yourself as other evidence is presented later on.

It's not to say that they're having difficulty documenting anything. It's just that there's huge amounts of evidence and I'm sure given the interest that they want to release something as clear and concise as possible, without leaving any doubt.

 

[SilverFox2]

Dunno. I know if I were doing something that required a lot of analysis I'd do the analysis first, make notes and come to any conclusions, then write up anything that would be shown to stakeholders explaining things after.

I'm not sure it'd really be possible to write stuff up as you go while not having made a decision. You could end up contradicting yourself as other evidence is presented later on.

It's not to say that they're having difficulty documenting anything. It's just that there's huge amounts of evidence and I'm sure given the interest that they want to release something as clear and concise as possible, without leaving any doubt.

Possibly we say the same thing ie maybe a decision should happen only when all the evidence has been considered to enable a mental or probable decision
Writing up then verifies ones deliberations and unless flaws found QED.

 

[city2]

Probably all decided just waiting for the season to finish.

 

[Paladin]

I just asked again if there had been any progress. The images have watermarks indicating AI generated content. This was to remove his phone number and my full name. The content is genuine from an email exchange today.