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I'm guessing that may not happen. But you never know. Who would ever have though a man who thought Marie Antoinette discovered Radium could become deputy PM.
I’ll enjoy you fumbling around trying to vote for the most popular populist party at the next election.

Your shouty flip flopping will be a sight to behold.

The best thing this government has done is ignore the noise from pickled old people and bots on social media.
 
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Why don't you give us your insight into what happened?
Do I need to?

It's transparently obvious. Starmer wanted Mandelson in the role, made it known to the FCDO that they should make it happen and pressure was applied intentionally or unintentionally to make it happen such that it got approved.

Honestly other than demonstrating that Starmer has an appalling lack of judgement, I have no issue with this. Also when it all went tits up later and Mandleson has to be sacked, had Starmer owned it, he may have got away with it. "As PM I have to a make a myriad of decisions and I always make them in the best interests of the country, but inevitably whilst I hope to her most things right, from time to time I may make a judgement I later regret" etc etc, then he may have been forgiven.

But he didn't do that. He said he regretted appointing Mandy but accepted no responsibility for it, instead blaming anyone but himself.

Worse still, he's been caught repeatedly lying about it. It is beyond inconceivable that after all this shit storm, Starmer only found out in Tuesday that Mandy had failed the security vetting. That a man, a former lawyer, should never have thought to have found out the details of this potentially carreer-ending blunder, is just not credible.

And were there any doubt about that, then any last ounce of possibility is eliminated when it transpires that the Guardian in September asked the government specifically "we hear Mandelson failed security vetting, is this true?". Can you imagine Starmer hearing this and not himself asking if it was true? But no we're being asked to believe he did not.

And finally, Yvette Cooper wrote to Emily Thornbury in September saying, "The UK government’s national security vetting charter includes an undertaking to protect personal data and other information in the strictest confidence … The process is also independent of ministers who are not informed of any findings other than the final outcome. This remained the case in this instance.”

So we have it in writing from our Foreign Secretary that ministers were told of the outcome of the vetting process.

It's the lies, not the deeds, that get them in the end.
 
I’ll enjoy you fumbling around trying to vote for the most popular populist party at the next election.

Your shouty flip flopping will be a sight to behold.

The best thing this government has done is ignore the noise from pickled old people and bots on social media.
Nowt as daft as your moronic comment suggesting Farage might appoint Andrew Tate. Take a look at yourself FFs..
 
Was that a ‘known’ at the time? I seem to recollect that it didn’t come to light until after he was sacked.

What interests me here is why the US kept hold of this information and didn’t release it to UK Services.
He'd already failed the vetting, prior to that. Shouldn't that be of more interest to you ?
 
I’ll enjoy you fumbling around trying to vote for the most popular populist party at the next election.

Your shouty flip flopping will be a sight to behold.

The best thing this government has done is ignore the noise from pickled old people and bots on social media.
I mean I don't disagree that @Chippy_boy has some batshit opinions but at least is has some beyond popping in every now and then to sneer at people. Listen to yourself ffs.
 
Was that a ‘known’ at the time? I seem to recollect that it didn’t come to light until after he was sacked.

What interests me here is why the US kept hold of this information and didn’t release it

He'd already failed the vetting, prior to that. Shouldn't that be of more interest to you ?
Which makes me wonder if someone here did know.
 
Nowt as daft as your moronic comment suggesting Farage might appoint Andrew Tate. Take a look at yourself FFs..
I’ll never be remotely serious on this thread again. I moved on a long time ago.

It’s akin to a hate watch thread now. Have you thought about monetising your efforts and creating a Goldbridge esque YouTube channel that you can get your best sensationalist views clipped up and shared round the world?

Might as well make use of your hatred. :-)
 
I mean I don't disagree that @Chippy_boy has some batshit opinions but at least is has some beyond popping in every now and then to sneer at people. Listen to yourself ffs.
The thread died a long time back. It’s an echo chamber of the same half dozen amateur analysts posting whatever they can find to confirm their biases.

Hence there’s no discourse today or ever.
 
The Mamdami figure is around and available for votes. Unfortunately for The "Labour" Party, when under the award winning direction of Blair acolytes... the message, very implicit went... if you're socialist you can Foxtrot Oscar... and 10s of thousands did... to The Greens. Never to return. So... Labour will require a huge kicking, a change of management, a de coupling from the class of wronguns who currently seem to be dictating international politics and some balls to stand for the working person again. The old song went "which side are you on" its going to be a very important question moving forward. We know who owns them... but for whom do they stand?


The real one just told New York's Mega Rich he's taxing their homes to fuck of they aren't living in them.

Imagine a labour leader doing that to all the empty properties owned by oligarchs in London.
 
Which makes me wonder if someone here did know.
They had to have. There's no way the civil service has gone rogue on such a high level appointment.
It beggars belief that some on here are pointing the finger elsewhere for the desperate need to breech national security protocol.
 
They had to have. There's no way the civil service has gone rogue on such a high level appointment.
It beggars belief that some on here are pointing the finger elsewhere for the desperate need to breech national security protocol.
You probably need to slow down there. There are certain protocols for these things and even though somebody can fail vetting, the sponsor can take it at risk. As Mandelson had already been announced, the head of that department may have been in a difficult position and signed it off.
 
The real one just told New York's Mega Rich he's taxing their homes to fuck of they aren't living in them.

Imagine a labour leader doing that to all the empty properties owned by oligarchs in London.
Yes. I saw that and thought exactly the same. The leeches are frrrreaking out!

 
You probably need to slow down there. There are certain protocols for these things and even though somebody can fail vetting, the sponsor can take it at risk. As Mandelson had already been announced, the head of that department may have been in a difficult position and signed it off.
Are you being serious? You really believe that the strictest of all procedures was by-passed for fear of upsetting the apple cart ?
But if you do seriously believe that, then the fault lays, directly, with the PM.
Are you then saying that the implications of defying his endorsement should override national security ?
 

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