The Labour Government

west didsblue said:
Starmer’s biggest mistake was thinking that pandering to Trump was a good strategy and would be beneficial to Britain. Plenty of other world leaders made the same mistake. It has become increasingly clear that distancing ourselves from the madness would have been the right thing to do and we have eventually come to that conclusion following the likes of Spain and France who gave up pandering to the orange slug long before we did.
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And some claim he's a good leader when it appears he's a follower and often he follows the wrong people.

Top stuff.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Are you being serious? You really believe that the strictest of all procedures was by-passed for fear of upsetting the apple cart ?
But if you do seriously believe that, then the fault lays, directly, with the PM.
Are you then saying that the implications of defying his endorsement should override national security ?
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No. I’m saying that there are mechanisms that make these things happen, as in, this is how it could’ve happened.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
It will be a shame if Starmer is forced out. The leaders this country (and in global politics) has had over the last ten years have been shallow.

It will be back to chaos I fear.
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Probably but what was he thinking by appointing the toxic Mandelson and therefore linking himself, albeit tenuously, to the even more toxic Epstein scandal. Crazy, crazy judgement. Totally unnecessary.
 
Looks like Rayner favourite to be next leader. Not that Starmer will be leaving any time soon imo.
 
I think if we have learned nothing over the last couple of decades.. we have perhaps discovered that the issue many assumed was just another wild conspiracy, is, yet again, blatantly true. That being... politicians are nothing but entirely owned front men/women, putting a face on the mechanics of the real power.

These people are installed, often with limited talent other than being able to obfuscate and deflect questions. If we actually made potential political representatives sit an exam on history, sociology, the financial system and international affairs, I think we would get a shock as to how dim many of them actually are.

In regards to Labour.. (the other mob are not worth attempting to save) It's only a few decades ago for instance that Labour politicians would enter front line politics via intensive, hands on, training provided by the unions. Weekend courses on all things politics. Great leaders and oratory skills came from that system. Compare and contrast to now, where 90% of Labour members of parliament come via the modern route of a politics degree at Oxford, an informal vetting process while there to see where their ultimate loyalties lie and which organisations or countries would never be questioned, the later sometimes nailed down by paid for trips. Then they miraculously get adviser jobs in Parliament before a few years of sitting around the commons cafeteria, literally waiting for the death of incumbent MPs like vultures on the savanah and IF they've said the right stuff.. they get an opportunity. When they do get in, because of the ownership model, they get instructed in what to say, do and how to respond. The are all dullards and completely see through but the media system (who are owned by the same people) ignore the fact and gaslight us into acceptance of these chumps!

The system is ENTIRELY corrupted. Our representatives are not representing us. The primary job of Polanski should he get in would be to sweep the system away. Up MPs wages, remove any 2nd jobs, spurious funding, remove the corporate lobby system, rid ourselves of the neo classical economics model, bring in a system of direct instruction to MPs via mini referendum. A vote in the house comes up, the various constituencies are balloted on how they would like their representative to vote and that ballot is published before the vote is cast. We have tried for decades to accept the "we know better" or 'we are privy to secret info" model of representation... It's failed...catastrophically!!

Time for an entirely new system. Get rid of Parliament in London, move it around the nation, perhaps if MPs see more people living in bus stops or attempt to drive to the neighbouring city of Sheffield from Manchester, driving over a 12th century mountain pass, then perhaps more would get done. I would also instigate weekly drugs and alcohol tests like many in work get. And I would regularly check on who they are meeting with.

Nothing will change in this nation if Einsteins description of madness prevails.
 
Jimmieblue said:
I think you are right about
Rayner but I think she’ll be there before locals. At the very least we’ll have some authenticity, real working class woman, no pretence and at last a decent voice that can be listened to.
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Until the RW media have her tax issue taking up 20 pages every day with, of course, no balance in the reporting.
 
philfodenswristsock said:
I think if we have learned nothing over the last couple of decades.. we have perhaps discovered that the issue many assumed was just another wild conspiracy, is, yet again, blatantly true. That being... politicians are nothing but entirely owned front men/women, putting a face on the mechanics of the real power.

These people are installed, often with limited talent other than being able to obfuscate and deflect questions. If we actually made potential political representatives sit an exam on history, sociology, the financial system and international affairs, I think we would get a shock as to how dim many of them actually are.

In regards to Labour.. (the other mob are not worth attempting to save) It's only a few decades ago for instance that Labour politicians would enter front line politics via intensive, hands on, training provided by the unions. Weekend courses on all things politics. Great leaders and oratory skills came from that system. Compare and contrast to now, where 90% of Labour members of parliament come via the modern route of a politics degree at Oxford, an informal vetting process while there to see where their ultimate loyalties lie and which organisations or countries would never be questioned, the later sometimes nailed down by paid for trips. Then they miraculously get adviser jobs in Parliament before a few years of sitting around the commons cafeteria, literally waiting for the death of incumbent MPs like vultures on the savanah and IF they've said the right stuff.. they get an opportunity. When they do get in, because of the ownership model, they get instructed in what to say, do and how to respond. The are all dullards and completely see through but the media system (who are owned by the same people) ignore the fact and gaslight us into acceptance of these chumps!

The system is ENTIRELY corrupted. Our representatives are not representing us. The primary job of Polanski should he get in would be to sweep the system away. Up MPs wages, remove any 2nd jobs, spurious funding, remove the corporate lobby system, rid ourselves of the neo classical economics model, bring in a system of direct instruction to MPs via mini referendum. A vote in the house comes up, the various constituencies are balloted on how they would like their representative to vote and that ballot is published before the vote is cast. We have tried for decades to accept the "we know better" or 'we are privy to secret info" model of representation... It's failed...catastrophically!!

Time for an entirely new system. Get rid of Parliament in London, move it around the nation, perhaps if MPs see more people living in bus stops or attempt to drive to the neighbouring city of Sheffield from Manchester, driving over a 12th century mountain pass, then perhaps more would get done. I would also instigate weekly drugs and alcohol tests like many in work get. And I would regularly check on who they are meeting with.

Nothing will change in this nation if Einsteins description of madness prevails.
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Pol Pot tried this in Cambodia. Burn everything to the ground, year zero reset, yada, yada. Around 20% of the population ended up dying. I mean the Mandelson affair is less than edifying, but it’s not exactly the end of the world.
 
blueinsa said:
Congrats.

Even the left on here think you’re a bit of a dick ;-)
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fortunately, I couldn’t care less what you think. You’ve been wring so many times that you aren’t worth my time, as you know.

He’ll not be prime minister at some point in the future. You’ll get your way, but it’ll not be why you think as you’re always wrong on everything, :-)
 
The job of PM is virtually impossible. Forget party politics, it matters not. Whoever is at the helm is under 24hr social media scrutiny that would have seen off every single PM in living memory.
Thatcher would have been gone with the Falklands; unshipped by emails between Knott and the Admiralty.
 
johnnytapia said:
The job of PM is virtually impossible. Forget party politics, it matters not. Whoever is at the helm is under 24hr social media scrutiny that would have seen off every single PM in living memory.
Thatcher would have been gone with the Falklands; unshipped by emails between Knott and the Admiralty.
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Add in bots, algorithms and an unregulated media and it’s a perfect storm. Truth doesn’t matter now. It’s all about bandwagons.
 
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