Perhaps as a country we need 5 years of Farage in Downing Street to realise what he is.
Just like the Maga crowd these horrible fuckers will vote against their self interest to put Farage in. All because his main talking point is immigrants muslims boats etc etc.The problem is you use a well reasoned argument against Farage and the far right.
The reality is there's a good 30% of this country that are thick, nasty racists who simply don't care how bad things are for them as long as they can hate.
The real danger is who they are told to vote for after Farage has failed....because he will.
People have had enough of Labour and the conservatives. Lots of Areas with both in charge have declined massively over the years.That in a nutshell is what a sizeable chunk of people think should happen, Labour and Conservative have been an absolute fucking shambles for too long and consequently think Farage deserves a go.
The consistently insightful quality of your posts on here deserves a better usernameBecause the country is rapidly changing before their eyes to alarming levels and they are grabbing on to what they see as the only option to stop it and reverse it.
It’s the same reason some people on the left have gone towards Green. Labour haven’t ushered in the utopian progressivism they expected so have lurched further afield to someone that is telling them they’ll do it.
I understand it from a psychological level and it’s mostly down to the Tories being horrendous, whilst increasing immigration to unprecedented levels rather than doing what they said they would, ie reducing it, and Labour arguably making things even slightly worse economy wise, from the point they got in to now.
Regarding Stockport, it’s where I am and the LibDems have always been huge here, every street has LibDem signs and you don’t see much else. Not entirely surprised as the LibDems throw everything at the area and do a good job locally. It’s why we’re the best borough in greater Manchester :-)
Not sure anyone is all that aware of anything the council does unless the bins don’t get emptied or they go bankruptOne positive of the Fascist run councils will be they make an absolite **** of it for two years and are hammered at the general election. And they will. Stll waiting to see yhe outcome here in Scotland . The exit Polls ae showing SNP still largest but probably not outright majority. Anti facist vote according to them about 70%. Need to wait and see.
yes, and that's why they are desperate to get the very same people back in charge...Labour have introduced some big things recently that will benefit the vast majority that just voted for reform. Sick pay from day one, the scrapping of no fault evictions and a cap on ground rent, but people are oblivious to all this. This is the tik tok generation that wants instant change, did they really think that Labour could turn around the shit show the Tories left behind in only 2 years?
Hand in hand? Like say a friendship? , like say friends of Israel?Nah, they just don't like Muslims and fall for bullshit anti-immigrant stuff they see on Facebook.
The Greens are the same, the amount of bullshit I see accusing Starmer of being hand in hand with Israel etc.
Social media has a lot to do with it.
That and high taxes.
Repeated at the national level and Labour and Lib Dems will hopefully join together. Which isn't that unusual across the rest of Europe.
They'll get the message when their council tax goes up, as it did in literally every council Reform gained control of last time.Not sure anyone is all that aware of anything the council does unless the bins don’t get emptied or they go bankrupt
A lot of the reform voters might be happy with more overt displays of nationalism? A flag for every lamppost throughout Tameside? Union Jack decorated filled pot holes?
Think it’s only when they get real power we’ll get the true picture of what the electorate sold its soul to
My nickname was Banjani for a while because one of my last acts in the education system in 2008, was to score a goal for the sixth form team I briefly went to, off my shoulder from a cross, about a month after we beat the Rags 2-1 at Old Trafford and Benjani scored his goal.The consistently insightful quality of your posts on here deserves a better username
Regards the first paragraph absolutely spot on, yes the racsists all vote reform but there’s a whole load more who feel they have nowhere else to turn to
The big problems might come about when they find out there actually was nowhere to turn to that the issues facing the UK aren’t going to be fixed by anybody in the short term
I agree I’m my experience I would say a good 30% are racist but that’s enough to put Reform in government which is frighteningThe problem is you use a well reasoned argument against Farage and the far right.
The reality is there's a good 30% of this country that are thick, nasty racists who simply don't care how bad things are for them as long as they can hate.
The real danger is who they are told to vote for after Farage has failed....because he will.
We’re a similar age and I agree with all of this.My nickname was Banjani for a while because one of my last acts in the education system in 2008, was to score a goal for the sixth form team I briefly went to, off my shoulder from a cross, about a month after we beat the Rags 2-1 at Old Trafford and Benjani scored his goal.
The goals were identical and Ban is part of my surname, hence the nickname. So there is a story behind it, albeit it’s a shit username I know. I even saw a lad I played with about 15 years after it happened and he called me that.
Anyway back to the thread… I’m only in my mid 30s and the country is vastly different to what it was when I was a kid. Not just in terms of how our culture has changed, fashion, music etc. but also the demographics of the country. I realise the vast majority of the new arrivals are decent people that just want to get on in life but when the numbers are too high, it changes the entire country and it does concern me.
I won’t vote for Reform, I didn’t yesterday, because Farage is a total charlatan and a snake oil salesman, they’re not equipped to successfully lead and I think they’ll botch their policies, I also don’t agree with a lot of them.
But I understand why many of the public, who aren’t these marauding right wing thugs and aren’t thick either, have gone down that route. I also understand why many Labour voters have gone Green. They were promised a lot off Starmer and the economy has actually got worse than under Sunak, with not a lot else changing on a day to day level. I wouldn’t vote for Polanski with a gun to my head but I understand why many feel “well if you (Starmer) won’t enact the change I want, maybe he (Polanski) will”.
Is it good for our country, no, but the themes throughout the last few pages of calling Reform Fascists and their voters all racists, is wrong and isn’t going to help bring those people round.
The Labour Party has much better options than Burnham.The only thing that can save Starmer is there’s nobody vaguely competent waiting in the wings, apart from Burnham, who can’t.
Which is all very depressing.
I can’t see any evidence for this? Well of course council tax went up but then it just does, you saying it went up more on average in reform areas? Based on what? I can at best find equivalence or below an I missing something?They'll get the message when their council tax goes up, as it did in literally every council Reform gained control of last time.
but those last sentiments are what we've heard for years to placate the people who do vote for far right parties-the majority who do are thick and racist.My nickname was Banjani for a while because one of my last acts in the education system in 2008, was to score a goal for the sixth form team I briefly went to, off my shoulder from a cross, about a month after we beat the Rags 2-1 at Old Trafford and Benjani scored his goal.
The goals were identical and Ban is part of my surname, hence the nickname. So there is a story behind it, albeit it’s a shit username I know. I even saw a lad I played with about 15 years after it happened and he called me that.
Anyway back to the thread… I’m only in my mid 30s and the country is vastly different to what it was when I was a kid. Not just in terms of how our culture has changed, fashion, music etc. but also the demographics of the country. I realise the vast majority of the new arrivals are decent people that just want to get on in life but when the numbers are too high, it changes the entire country and it does concern me.
I won’t vote for Reform, I didn’t yesterday, because Farage is a total charlatan and a snake oil salesman, they’re not equipped to successfully lead and I think they’ll botch their policies, I also don’t agree with a lot of them.
But I understand why many of the public, who aren’t these marauding right wing thugs and aren’t thick either, have gone down that route. I also understand why many Labour voters have gone Green. They were promised a lot off Starmer and the economy has actually got worse than under Sunak, with not a lot else changing on a day to day level. I wouldn’t vote for Polanski with a gun to my head but I understand why many feel “well if you (Starmer) won’t enact the change I want, maybe he (Polanski) will”.
Is it good for our country, no, but the themes throughout the last few pages of calling Reform Fascists and their voters all racists, is wrong and isn’t going to help bring those people round.
Labour have introduced some big things recently that will benefit the vast majority that just voted for reform. Sick pay from day one, the scrapping of no fault evictions and a cap on ground rent, but people are oblivious to all this. This is the tik tok generation that wants instant change, did they really think that Labour could turn around the shit show the Tories left behind in only 2 years?
Like who?The Labour Party has much better options than Burnham.
What happens when Farage gets in and starts rounding up and deporting illegal immigrants and it doesn’t have any effect on living standards in this country? The figure what it costs to manage the processing illegals within the country is £14 billion. Farage wants to put together an ICE type force to police it which will result in that figure going up and up and taking funding away from other public services.
I get that people are frustrated and want change, last time the public were duped by lies and that things were going to get better it was the total disaster of brexit peddled by Farage and Johnson the two biggest pair of political grifters this country has ever seen.
We aren’t talking about the real issues facing this country at the moment. The economy is absolutely flatlining and creaking backwards, the jobs market is shrinking and we are hitting unemployment rates higher than when covid was happening. There’s young people who can’t get a start in a career because of this who are doomed to a life of economic inactivity because politically the focus is elsewhere on the subject of people on boats.
There’s businesses that want to trade with Europe but have red tape chucked in the way because of Farage’s one attempt at policy change in this country that has been a disaster. Why do people not realise what they are voting for? Perhaps as a country we need 5 years of Farage in Downing Street to realise what he is.