The Labour Government

[Kompany Car]

I was fairly optimistic today and now I don’t know.

I was listening to people on phone in shows etc and seeing comments on here and I was thinking you know what I think we can see a turn around.

For the following reasons

We might get electoral reform the left could unite.

Nobody else is popular

Nobody seems to know why they voted reform other than let’s hope.

The main issue is the cost of living which Labour have actually done well on. Free Breakfast clubs, two child cap, Energy Price cap coming down due to energy tax changes and now decoupling from gas I think is on the cards, rising minimum wage / living wage, job guarantee.

Farage is claiming they run good councils, mine seem to be filling in more potholes and they claim to have saved money across the board but Kent’s a basket case along with a few others.

It’s not been as bad as feared.

We might get closer to the EU

Farage being close to Trump cannot be helping him anymore.

The 5 million

However I not so sure after listening to people not really have a reason for voting for Farage I now think we get what we deserve and logic and policy is pointless

The problem is that Mr and Mrs median, one car, two kids, with the median sized mortgage are actually only £5 to £10 per week better off. This is due to an increased cost of borrowing on mortgages with many coming off fixed rates and increases in energy costs along with wage stagnation.

By the end of the parliament with the freeze on the annual allowance, lack of growth and the spike coming down the line on food prices, Mr and Mrs median are likely to be slightly worse off than they were at the start of the parliament.

Now the poorest 20% are better off to the tune of around £38 per week but once again energy and food price inflation have eroded that figure as most of their income is spent on those two items.

So whats the upshot well the poorest 20% might be able to switch their heating on a bit more and may just be able to keep feeding themselves at the current level. Whilst Mr and Mrs median with a mortgage might in the short term be able to afford an extra couple of McDonald's Happy meals each week for now but probably wont in 3 yrs time.

Would each group have been worse off without the change in government ? Yes they would, but will the lived experience align with the "Change" slogan that was plastered all over campaign buses, probably not.

 

[Ban-jani]

Quite dismissive, mate, as if I live in a cave.

I’m currently working with a huge diverse community of productive people who bring so much to the UK, economically and socially.

So, what you are saying is that I have to take the impact of these people just on the colour of their skin, rather than the person that they are.

Not the way I think, thank you very much.

Where is this community?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Where is this community?

Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Birmingham.

 

[Ban-jani]

Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Birmingham.

So a place of work then, where people are doing their day jobs. Not a “community” in the sense of an area of the country where people live.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Surely this whole debate is about “illegal” migration. Who is advocating NO immigration? This country has always welcomed people fleeing oppression. Embassies used to be equipped to issue visas and people fleeing would then be allowed to enter this country legally. Something had happened, systems have fallen apart or it has been done on purpose. Search me, but it desperately needs sorting.

 

[Scottyboi]

Surely this whole debate is about “illegal” migration. Who is advocating NO immigration? This country has always welcomed people fleeing oppression. Embassies used to be equipped to issue visas and people fleeing would then be allowed to enter this country legally. Something had happened, systems have fallen apart or it has been done on purpose. Search me, but it desperately needs sorting.

Something like austerity cutting back all the home office staff so no one could get processed without a backlog. Which meant people travelled here illegally and were then put into failing hotel chains on bumper tax funded contracts that happened to be Tory donors?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So a place of work then, where people are doing their day jobs. Not a “community” in the sense of an area of the country where people live.

Well, it would probably also suggest that one would have residence in the same area, don’t you think?

As for your response, seems that you have chosen to dismiss the reality of my lived experience in favour of your own, whereas both can be true. I work and live with a diverse community that brings so much to peoples lives, you see colour.

As per the ‘Falling Immigration’ thread, things are changing with current legislation severely reducing people coming to this country after the Brexit wave, which swapped out all those white EU faces to darker skinned non-EU faces. The question that now comes is, can we rapidly change our economic systems and workforce to cope with the extra demand on society?

We probably need more robots with better AI. Robots that can look after our elderly, serve us a pint, and ensure we get to where we need to be. Then we can have the conversation all over again, about those pesky robots taken over our jobs, stealing our women, and all other manners of discourse when honesty in debate has been taken away.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Something like austerity cutting back all the home office staff so no one could get processed without a backlog. Which meant people travelled here illegally and were then put into failing hotel chains on bumper tax funded contracts that happened to be Tory donors?

Yes, all this has been allowed to happen, it’s a crying shame that the country has been lulled into this shameful manipulation by greedy people. The problems have been caused by greedy, self-serving, disgusting people. Regulation seems to have disappeared and the culprits have never been taken away in handcuffs from the banking scandal onwards. You can tell I’m an angry bird.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Birmingham.

Went out with a nurse from there a few years ago!

 

[Jimmieblue]

So a place of work then, where people are doing their day jobs. Not a “community” in the sense of an area of the country where people live.

We moved from our home area because the community changed for exactly that reason. Some did go to a place of work, like a hospital or such but a lot were at home and changed the community. Know what you mean.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Went out with a nurse from there a few years ago!

You do like to get around ;-)

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

If people aren't able to critically think.. they look to inflict pain on others and are willing to take on pain themselves.

Quite often you can make further headaway with an enemy that's more myth than real.

And the beatings will continue till morale improves!

Reform has control of our council now let’s see what they do with the amount of government grant and how they propose to cut immigration.

It’s a win win as immigration into the town has remained stable for decades and the real problem of tackling poverty has just been helped by the removal of the two child cap on benefits and children’s breakfast clubs.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well, it would probably also suggest that one would have residence in the same area, don’t you think?

As for your response, seems that you have chosen to dismiss the reality of my lived experience in favour of your own, whereas both can be true. I work and live with a diverse community that brings so much to peoples lives, you see colour.

As per the ‘Falling Immigration’ thread, things are changing with current legislation severely reducing people coming to this country after the Brexit wave, which swapped out all those white EU faces to darker skinned non-EU faces. The question that now comes is, can we rapidly change our economic systems and workforce to cope with the extra demand on society?

We probably need more robots with better AI. Robots that can look after our elderly, serve us a pint, and ensure we get to where we need to be. Then we can have the conversation all over again, about those pesky robots taken over our jobs, stealing our women, and all other manners of discourse when honesty in debate has been taken away.

I haven’t dismissed your lived experience, I’ve experienced positivity too, I just don’t think a place of work, with professionals doing their day jobs, is the best source of looking at the wider affects of mass migration. The cricket club I play with has some lads who have just arrived and they’re now my mates, it’s not individuals that are the issue. It’s the affects on a bigger scale that concerns me.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I haven’t dismissed your lived experience, I’ve experienced positivity too, I just don’t think a place of work, with professionals doing their day jobs, is the best source of looking at the wider affects of mass migration. The cricket club I play with has some lads who have just arrived and they’re now my mates, it’s not individuals that are the issue. It’s the affects on a bigger scale that concerns me.

Many have the same concerns, and that’s why the last couple of governments have tried to address the problem.

We now have evidence to say that the legislation is working in terms of immigration, whether that is a positive or negative in terms of economy is yet to be seen.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

Reform has control of our council now let’s see what they do with the amount of government grant and how they propose to cut immigration.

It’s a win win as immigration into the town has remained stable for decades and the real problem of tackling poverty has just been helped by the removal of the two child cap on benefits and children’s breakfast clubs.

Just be ready to escape the shit show so have the following ready:

1. Tools for survival (water, non perishable food, 3 sets of clothes)
2. Emergency money
3. Medications
4. Passport/ Phone and most importantly a PLAN of where to go

Extreme right wing governments often get compared to fascist Nazi Germany but what's much more common is the totalitarian Khmer Rouge or a version of it and that's something no one would want to stick around for..

If you see the danger, leave ASAP. It's those quick thinkers that survive vs those who were in denial.. like no it's not gonna be that bad.

 

[Cons Dad]

Do you know how this post comes across ?

Think about it for a second your basically saying Whitehall wants to replace white people for some reason. That’s not dissimilar to the anti semitic tropes. The government / Whitehall doesn’t care about race. A few years ago so conservative ? That well known foreign loving group you know headed by people like Robert Jenrick, Priti Patel, Suella, Theresa May, Boris letterbox Johnson Enoch Powel, Steve Baker, Rupert Lowe even Farage at one point o and White supremists Churchill.

You post talks about people working in care and warehousing so what’s the issue ?

O and why keep mentioning the fact they are not white ?

I probably havent explained it well mate. I was replying to Kirkstall Blues comment re he thought the loss of labour vote was due to the terminal being progressed. It was certainly not a post aimed at replacing whites or anything racist
I was trying to make the point that there has been a big influx into St helens over the past few years of both migrants & asylum seekers & unfortunately a lot of the people imho have confused the migrant people as being on benefits & not working, when they are all actually working. hence why reform have unfortunately done so well in the area. My use of non white was meant to highlight that the migrants were all here to work & not live off the state of which there are plenty of the "locals" , apologies for any offence perceived in the post as I was only trying to explain why reform has got where it has here based on the demographic changes over the past few years

 

[yeseye]

Just be ready to escape the shit show so have the following ready:

1. Tools for survival (water, non perishable food, 3 sets of clothes)
2. Emergency money
3. Medications
4. Passport/ Phone and most importantly a PLAN of where to go

Extreme right wing governments often get compared to fascist Nazi Germany but what's much more common is the totalitarian Khmer Rouge or a version of it and that's something no one would want to stick around for..

If you see the danger, leave ASAP. It's those quick thinkers that survive vs those who were in denial.. like no it's not gonna be that bad.

That’s some strong spice you’ve been smoking..

 

[Vic]

We moved here about seven years ago from Manchester and in comparison we don’t have an immigration problem in St Helens I didn’t even know there was an hotel in the neighbourhood.

Immigration must be the reason as Labour lost the council to Reform. We live near Sherdley Park so rarely pass through Burtonwood.

Burtonwood village is still very white, and actually in Warrington, as are most of the warehouses either side of the M62 on the Omega site that used to be Burtonwood air base.

Big employment site, and jobs are open to white people... (if they fancy the shifts).

 

[metalblue]

Sir Keir Starmer makes Gordon Brown an envoy as he seeks reset after Labour election losses

Sir Keir Starmer is attempting to shore up his position after his party suffered heavy election losses.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

That’s some strong spice you’ve been smoking..

That's why you want to destroy education and media next.. so people don't remember things.

But I remember..