How’s @BlueHammer85 feeling about VAR now it’s likely relegated WH
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VAR Discussion Thread
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Vester
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As someone who is watching a lot of football leagues and not just City, I would argue that VAR is pretty bad everywhere but in England it's significantly worse than in other countries. It feels like the on pitch refs in England have just stopped making any big calls on the pitch themselves and just prefer to let VAR figure everything out instead.
What was sold as "will only be used rarely when its a clear and obvious referee mistake and take 30 seconds at most" is now used multiple times every game despite it mostly takes several minutes of replays from multiple angles to find the "clear and obvious" mistake in question.
It should be that if a VAR-ref cant confirm any clear and obvious mistake within 10 seconds of replays, it shouldn't be possible to claim that the ref call is clear and obviously wrong.
What was sold as "will only be used rarely when its a clear and obvious referee mistake and take 30 seconds at most" is now used multiple times every game despite it mostly takes several minutes of replays from multiple angles to find the "clear and obvious" mistake in question.
It should be that if a VAR-ref cant confirm any clear and obvious mistake within 10 seconds of replays, it shouldn't be possible to claim that the ref call is clear and obviously wrong.
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Colin Bells Boots
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bluetonium
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It's the inconsistent approach thay infuriates fans, and the waiting.
It wasn't clear and obvious. It's a multitude of physical challenges and grabs in the penalty box which have been left by both the referee and var for almost a whole season. But now, today, it's picked up on, one specific action, and other actions in the same play ignored.
Unfortunately it was bound to happen sooner or later, var having a heavy hand in a title and/or relegation. But we can shout about it until we're hoarse, nothing is going to change and the simple fact is that var isn't making the game better, more enjoyable, faster or even more accurate. It's being used to re-officiate some passages of play, but not others, regardless of clear and obvious, and today has likely robbed us of both a fascinating title and relegation battle.
Nobody in football should be celebrating today, save for the arsenal fans whose team have used every loophole and charade in the book to get to where they are. Honestly, I saw some of them today, England internationals, screaming blue murder for a throw in their way when it quite obviously wasn't theirs. Over and over, demanding every decision, like they just couldn't help it, an involuntary tick of some kind.
It would have been sweet, sweet justice if arsenal had conceded from a WWE style corner, given their entire season has been built on the same. If we take any positive from this then at least is shows the selective nature or even hypocrisy with var.
It wasn't clear and obvious. It's a multitude of physical challenges and grabs in the penalty box which have been left by both the referee and var for almost a whole season. But now, today, it's picked up on, one specific action, and other actions in the same play ignored.
Unfortunately it was bound to happen sooner or later, var having a heavy hand in a title and/or relegation. But we can shout about it until we're hoarse, nothing is going to change and the simple fact is that var isn't making the game better, more enjoyable, faster or even more accurate. It's being used to re-officiate some passages of play, but not others, regardless of clear and obvious, and today has likely robbed us of both a fascinating title and relegation battle.
Nobody in football should be celebrating today, save for the arsenal fans whose team have used every loophole and charade in the book to get to where they are. Honestly, I saw some of them today, England internationals, screaming blue murder for a throw in their way when it quite obviously wasn't theirs. Over and over, demanding every decision, like they just couldn't help it, an involuntary tick of some kind.
It would have been sweet, sweet justice if arsenal had conceded from a WWE style corner, given their entire season has been built on the same. If we take any positive from this then at least is shows the selective nature or even hypocrisy with var.
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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I'm sure he'll be along shortly to tell us that it's an overall success, and that these decisions even themselves out over the season...How’s @BlueHammer85 feeling about VAR now it’s likely relegated WH
Bernardo was equally close in the away game to Sunderland that finished 0-0 but funnily enough that disallowed
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What I really don't get with VAR, is from an analytical perspective, how are they not constantly reviewing game data, and building a iterative system that after each week consume data and decisions to get to a almost perfect decision engine. Instead of what is clearly an interpretation engine. The technology is there ready to be automated but I believe they don't want to open that can of worms, so either use it to it's full potential or not at all. It's ruining the game
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And they should automate ALL offsides and if the automated bot cannot rule definitively offside then it’s on. Give the attackers the benefits. Let the fans enjoy goals. Tech should 100% be able to achieve this. I wonder though if it’s really wanted?As someone who is watching a lot of football leagues and not just City, I would argue that VAR is pretty bad everywhere but in England it's significantly worse than in other countries. It feels like the on pitch refs in England have just stopped making any big calls on the pitch themselves and just prefer to let VAR figure everything out instead.
What was sold as "will only be used rarely when its a clear and obvious referee mistake and take 30 seconds at most" is now used multiple times every game despite it mostly takes several minutes of replays from multiple angles to find the "clear and obvious" mistake in question.
It should be that if a VAR-ref cant confirm any clear and obvious mistake within 10 seconds of replays, it shouldn't be possible to claim that the ref call clear and obviously wrong.
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They’ve spent a packet on it no way they bin it now forget it
Allnightlong
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Virtually everyone bar Arsenal fans and past and present officials will look at that and feel that was the wrong decision.
Will turn people s little bit more from premier league. Let’s hope the bubble doesn’t burst.
Will turn people s little bit more from premier league. Let’s hope the bubble doesn’t burst.
lust overlord
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What I really don't get with VAR, is from an analytical perspective, how are they not constantly reviewing game data, and building a iterative system that after each week consume data and decisions to get to a almost perfect decision engine. Instead of what is clearly an interpretation engine. The technology is there ready to be automated but I believe they don't want to open that can of worms, so either use it to it's full potential or not at all. It's ruining the game
Not at all is the answer.
itsnevereasy
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Well will it be Tuesday or Wednesday Howard the Red will be rolled on to Sky Sports News to explain the decision.. funny he never speaks to actual journalists or god forbid fans it’s like Sky is a their mouth piece, oh wait it is.
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I think football would be much better with VAR if it was used correctly and consistently all the time.
It’s certainly used consistently. It consistenly gives the decision whichever way favours Arsenal
lust overlord
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Virtually everyone bar Arsenal fans and past and present officials will look at that and feel that was the wrong decision.
Will turn people s little bit more from premier league. Let’s hope the bubble doesn’t burst.
Personally,I have been less arsed with football for a couple of seasons now.
More or less only watch City nowadays apart from the odd cup games.
Due to the way Var has been misused.
The nasty,snidey way the media manipulate football supporters to hate on each other is another reason.
The games evolving for the worse pal
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It made the game more exciting :-)I'm sure he'll be along shortly to tell us that it's an overall success, and that these decisions even themselves out over the season...
dadnlad
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arse licking journalists ha ha they all be kissing his arseWell will it be Tuesday or Wednesday Howard the Red will be rolled on to Sky Sports News to explain the decision.. funny he never speaks to actual journalists or god forbid fans it’s like Sky is a their mouth piece, oh wait it is.
var is great as long as not used to rereferee the game how does it do this then
itsnevereasy
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arse licking journalists ha ha they all be kissing his arse
var is great as long as not used to rereferee the game how does it do this then
Some journalists do ask good questions, I’d love to see him interviewed by Martin Samual. Or chuck him on one of those programs with the fans on it.
VAR is awful and a tool to manipulate results.