Premier League Games | 9/10/11/13 May '26

[Beanhead]

I was stating that it is pretty much over if West Ham fail to win (an opinion). You then stated, that it is not over. I never said 'it was over'.

So what was the point of your patronising response?

Mate, breath.. then go back and look at what I quoted. It was about GD and how a draw was no good to us, which I rightly corrected, as a draw (which as it was it was at the time) was fine. As in we “were” in a beautiful position as any win against Palace for our game in hand put us top.

Did you even understand that we had a game in hand? Hence the other posters pulling the other guy up?? Weird.

Now… you then jumped in and accused me of being a North London **** which confused me. Again, weird.

Basically, go back and review what was said, digest it, and maybe apologise.

 

[coolcity]

All season? Arsenal started this long long time now. Officials had accepted it as legal, in the process more teams followed, not as effectively as Arsenal though. They, Arsenal, are the ones who possess the expertise. Basically they have invented this "strategy", among similar others, of course. Anything that will suit Arteta's vanity...

Since it's gone too far, now officials seem to be having second thoughts about it. I remember the Bornmouth equalizer, earlier this season. I grew up knowing this shit does not exist in football. Nevertheless it stood. So what they do? They start cancelling goals. It happened in one of our games recently (remember which one?), with Pep ironically commenting afterwards: "Today I broke another record"...

The approach remains highly selective though, as we have just witnessed tonight. The player who is supposed to be fouling the GK, look at what he's dealing with, as he's trying to position himself towards the ball. Look at other WH players running in the box, what they're also dealing with. From all this chaos, England decided to isolate THAT moment, and make his interpretation of it...

VAR was introduced to guarantee justice supposedly. Refs could not handle the pace of the game anymore, their mistakes were inevitable. But officials do not want justice. It's not about fucking justice, justice is not the objective, never was. So VAR becomes another tool to manipulate results at will...

The point for me is if they're going to give a foul then it has to be the FIRST foul, not the most significant (as somebody suggested earlier when trying to defend the decision). Had they done that there are only two possible outcomes, one is a penalty to West Ham, or two, play the advantage and give the goal.

You can't play the advantage then pull it back for a different foul, that's just negating the value of what should have been a penalty in the first place; there's no advantage as we saw when that injury time goal by Haaland/Cherki was chalked off.

As for the whole concept of VAR, if it's not a clear and obvious error then shut up and let the referee officiate the match. If you have to watch a slow motion replay 40 times to find a foul then it's not clear and obvious. It took almost 5 minutes to reach a decision, yet another penalty appeal is dismissed so quickly that the commentator was able to confirm it before he had even finished his sentence... "There's another check for a penalty here...its been cleared, no penalty".

This one single decision affects West Ham, City, Arsenal and potentially Spurs too who also may have benefitted as they play Leeds tonight. If I worked it out correctly that result also guaranteed Leeds' safety too so they don't have to worry about beating Spurs tonight, so one decision has affected 5 clubs there, with Arsenal, Spurs and Leeds all gaining an unfair advantage. There is far too much at stake for this nonsense.

 

[coolcity]

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Its true that West Ham player has arm in front of Raya, but the same player being held down by both Gabriel and Trossard so impeding his ability to challenge for the ball, i.e. a pen surely?

Guess not for the corrupt VAR

Fucking Gabriel AGAIN. Should have been serving a 3 match ban, shouldn't even be on the pitch. Also made a goal line clearance in their last match.

Apart from that, behind the keeper Rice had both arms around a player long before the ball came in that Raya missed, so as that foul occurred first that should have been a penalty. Play is stopped at that point so anything that happens after that is irrelevant. If there was a "clear and obvious error" missed by the ref, that was it.

 

[paulchapo]

Fucking Gabriel AGAIN. Should have been serving a 3 match ban, shouldn't even be in the pitch. Also made a goal line clearance in their last match.

Apart from that, behind the keeper Rice had both arms around a player king before the ball came in that Raya missed so as that foul occurred first that should have been a penalty. Play is stopped at that point so anything that happens after that is irrelevant. If there was a "clear and obvious error" missed by the ref, that was it.

Hopefully Haaland and every other City player has learnt from that Gabriel incident. Now people might give him plaudits for not going down but by being macho and saying he doesn't go down unless he's hurt, he's helped Arsenal win the title. Their job would have been much harder without him for three games. Mind you even if Haaland would have had his nose broken snd been carried off on a stretcher var would probably have deemed it accidental.

 

[vmsuhail]

Fair play to Arsenal.

I'll see their title in the same regard as LiVARpool's under Klopp.

 

[Pell]

Meanwhile, away from twitter fantasyland, the real Wayne Rooney said:

"It's a clear foul," Rooney said on the Wayne Rooney Show.

"You're going to obviously get a lot of people saying they think it should have stood because it's controversial and probably all the [Manchester] City players, staff, fans are going to say it should have stood. And then you're going to get all the Tottenham fans, players, staff saying it shouldn't have stood and of course the Arsenal fans and stuff.

"But it's a clear foul. I think you can clearly see the arm crosses his face and it impacts him getting to the ball. So I think it's the right decision.

Wayne Rooney says VAR did 'a really good job' in making a crucial call in Arsenal's win at West Ham

Former England and Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney believes the video assistant referee "did a really good job" in disallowing West Ham's late equaliser against Arsenal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Blue Maverick]

It was a foul but prior to that there were two on west ham players so there should’ve been a penalty called for first, you can’t have this next season, let’s go like hockey, all attackers on 18 yard line and all defenders in goal line, let’s see Arsenal fucking cheat then.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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You can't play the advantage then pull it back for a different foul, that's just negating the value of what should have been a penalty in the first place; there's no advantage as we saw when that injury time goal by Haaland/Cherki was chalked off.

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You can if you want a specific outcome!

Refs playing the advantage is an intersting concept. I've seen at The Etihad incidents where the home side fouls one of the opposition. play continues, fizzles out and we get booked. The other one is where one of ours is fouled, played fizzles out and there's no booking!

 

[ysmsa]

Watched it again this morning, it gets no better.

Arse tactic of causing chaos in the area in the hope it gets a goal disallowed is not football.

If the Wham player wasn't been held down his arm would not have been where it was.

Rice bear hugging another.

Gabriel crouching and then throwing himself over, the list goes on.

All that had happened and they still cleared the ball, but it's fired in next phase.

I suspect yesterdays decision was impacted by the decisions that apparently went our way on Saturday. Even though they were proven to be the correct decisions, no fouls no penalties!

 

[give it to gordon]

It's only a 'foul' on the keeper because an arse has both arms around the WHU player who is trying to jump ! Yet the WHY player is deemed to foul when he is being stopped from cleanly jumping.

 

[coolcity]

Hopefully Haaland and every other City player has learnt from that Gabriel incident. Now people might give him plaudits for not going down but by being macho and saying he doesn't go down unless he's hurt, he's helped Arsenal win the title. Their job would have been much harder without him for three games. Mind you even if Haaland would have had his nose broken snd been carried off on a stretcher var would probably have deemed it accidental.

I can't blame Haaland, it's not something we want to see and I think a ref should give an automatic yellow if he thinks it's not a foul and it's (I forget the official name for it) play acting when a player is deliberately going down to get a free kick or penalty,. But once again there is no consistency, some players get booked for it, others don't.

For me though, Gabriel should have been sent off in that match for the early handball, where he deliberately leaned towards the ball. The key word is "deliberately" and it's the exact same thing Bernardo was sent off for so what's the difference?

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

It was a foul but prior to that there were two on west ham players so there should’ve been a penalty called for first, you can’t have this next season, let’s go like hockey, all attackers on 18 yard line and all defenders in goal line, let’s see Arsenal fucking cheat then.

I’d rather we went all ice hockey, gloves off.

 

[coolcity]

You can if you want a specific outcome!

Refs playing the advantage is an intersting concept. I've seen at The Etihad incidents where the home side fouls one of the opposition. play continues, fizzles out and we get booked. The other one is where one of ours is fouled, played fizzles out and there's no booking!

It's about consistency again. The only real option is to stop the play and give the free kick. I'm all for letting the game flow but there are other ways to do it, allow 15 seconds for a throw in then award it to the other side if its not taken for example, similar thing with free kicks and goal kicks.

Drives me mad when we wait for 5 minutes while the opposition line up their wall then 99 times out of 100 the ball rebounds of it or goes into row z.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Darren Cann (ex assistant referee) on motd:

'clear foul x 2 on the goalkeeper so correct decision'
questioned about similar goals given for Arsenal - 'the match officials must go on what they see at the time'
questioned about why other fouls on WH players were not chosen rather than the foul on Raya - 'they had less materiality than the foul on the goalkeeper'
why 5 minutes VAR, it cant be a clear and obvious error - 'with a decision of such magnitude its more important to get the decision correct rather than quick'
Whats the solution? - 'don't allow attackers in the 6 yard box until corner taken'

Phew, glad he cleared all that up.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

I watched this game in a pub in Portsmouth. You could hear the collective groans as it went to VAR. Then pure outrage when it was ruled out.

A truly outrageous decision to rule that goal out.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Darren Cann (ex assistant referee) on motd:

'clear foul x 2 on the goalkeeper so correct decision'
questioned about similar goals given for Arsenal - 'the match officials must go on what they see at the time'
questioned about why other fouls on WH players were not chosen rather than the foul on Raya - 'they had less materiality than the foul on the goalkeeper'
why 5 minutes VAR, it cant be a clear and obvious error - 'with a decision of such magnitude its more important to get the decision correct rather than quick'
Whats the solution? - 'don't allow attackers in the 6 yard box until corner taken'

Phew, glad he cleared all that up.

Ridiculous solution.

The keeper would have 18 players all steaming into the 6 yard box at the same time.

Pure head clashes. Pure injuries. Totally unpoliceable.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Ridiculous solution.

The keeper would have 18 players all steaming into the 6 yard box at the same time.

Pure head clashes. Pure injuries. Totally unpoliceable.

I agree with you. His whole explanation was suspect. Its manipulation in plain sight.

 

[Stoned Rose]

That’ll be Joe signing on.

 

[ysmsa]

Being gas lit on this, Ref watch claimimg it is correct because as soon as the Wham players arm goes across Raya and stays there it's a foul.
Where exactly is it meant to go during a typical Arse scrum?

They are ignoring the 2 Arse players holding Wham players before the ball reaches Raya.

We've been told all season that holding is fine, until the ball is in play.
Normally that is when all the holding stops but it didn't in this incident.

The media and pundits control the narrative and what is given.
The amount of scrutiny being given to justify that yesterday but ignoring all what the Arse players were doing.

I said it earlier, they deliberately cause chaos so there is too much going on to look at, outcome = goal disallowed.

Anyone else and they would have said, the Arse fouls negate the challenge on Raya so, even though a Penalty could be awarded for the 2 Arse defenders holding before the ball reaches Raya, the goal will be allowed to stand.

 

[dadnlad]

Being gas lit on this, Ref watch claimimg it is correct because as soon as the Wham players arm goes across Reya and stays there it's a foul.
Where exactly is it meant to go during a typical Arse scrum?

They are ignoring the 2 Arse players holding Wham players before the ball reaches Reya.

We've been told all season that holding is fine, until the ball is in play.
Normally that is when all the holding stops but it didn't in this incident.

The media and pundits control the narrative and what is given.
The amount of scrutiny being given to justify that yesterday but ignoring all what the Arse players were doing.

I said it earlier, they deliberately cause chaos so there is too much going on to look at, outcome = goal disallowed.

Anyone else and they would have said, the Arse fouls negate the challenge on Reya so, even though a Penalty could be awarded for the 2 Arse defenders holding before the ball reaches Reya, the goal will be allowed to stand.

new narrative invented since the decisions now go in chronological order
so keeper barging into crowd of players comes first ........ sorry keeper fouled