hilts
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An accusation of racism can be dealt with in due course, bleeding out would be somewhat of an immediate concern for anyone but a moron or a prick. It takes no time at all to check.
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Henry Nowak murder
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Yeah this is why I added that they acted horrendously anyway. Arrived into a difficult position, made it worse by not acting decisively enough.An accusation of racism can be dealt with in due course, bleeding out would be somewhat of an immediate concern for anyone but a moron or a prick. It takes no time at all to check.
No need for playground insults, but there was no alleged armed robbery, that’s just not true. And this isn’t a matter of opinion or interpretation- you’re just incorrectly describing the circumstances in which he was murdered.In addition Henry Nowak was an 18 student. George Floyd was a known criminal, allegedly escaping from armed robbery. Just saying before I get called a gammon or whatever the latest playground insult is.
I genuinely can’t believe you’ve posted that, you can’t have done with a straight face. If they didn’t have the facts, they should have taken the claims of Henry seriously. He wasn’t a threat and was on the ground saying he’d been stabbed. They are rightly damned because it took him losing consciousness for them to believe him. Their comments towards him were of mockery before he lost consciousness.Think this awful incident is part of the legacy of how we analyse and attempt to combat racism in this country.
Instead of viewing it for what it is - a societal problem and an issue with our entire species - we went down the "shame and blame the individual" route. An understandable choice but one that does make it harder to actually confront the issues that lead to racism in the first place.
The police who attended the incident were put in a bad position - caught between a rock and a hard place. One the one hand they've not got all the facts, just an accusation of racism and a young kid claiming he's bleeding out. They were (in their heads) damned if they did and damned if they didn't. And then they acted horrendously anyway.
Think you've also got to look at what's been done to policing since 2010. Numbers have been cut, funding has been cut, departments are overstretched, there's no bobbies on the beat getting to know these young lads and understand them. Just over-worked and under-trained people paralysed by fear, ignorant of the people they're serving, and the repercussions of mistakes lingering in their heads in crunch moments.
Whole thing is a tragedy.
The first part of your post is accurate, they’ve over corrected now in combating racism and white victims aren’t believed if the perpetrators are non-white in certain incidents now. It’s the same shit that happened when thousands of young women and children were systematically raped across this country. They weren’t believed, were mocked by the authorities and in some instances, actually served up to their abusers by the police.
I am against the rioting that’s happened because it’s giving certain cunts a chance to say look over there, when they should be looking at discrimination and bias in our police and authorities, which was previously against minorities but is now biased against the majority.
They did act decisively though-they acted on information received and arrested Henry.Yeah this is why I added that they acted horrendously anyway. Arrived into a difficult position, made it worse by not acting decisively enough.
Not one person on the phone, not one person at the scene other than Henry said he'd been stabbed-he was painted out to be an intoxicated racist.
The question surrounds those 1-3 minutes when it was clear that they had been misled.
hilts
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Arriving in a difficult situation is what the police are there for, we have gone from too many bent coppers to too many useless ones, throw in political interference and a public that complain about how their demographic is treated and here we are.Yeah this is why I added that they acted horrendously anyway. Arrived into a difficult position, made it worse by not acting decisively enough.
The excuses being trotted out like it was dark or they are thinking of other things apart from the immediate concern wears very thin now.
Paramedics go to cry wolf callers every single day, grabbing your torch and having a look seemed like to much fucking hassle based on a warped probability in a fucknuts head.
LangleyBlue1970
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They weren’t put in a bad position. They were sent out to a call of whatever it was described to them over their comms - their job. When they got there and a person is lying on the floor saying he’s been stabbed, they should have acted like any decent fucking human being would and check him thoroughly for the wounds he said 4 times that he had suffered.Think this awful incident is part of the legacy of how we analyse and attempt to combat racism in this country.
Instead of viewing it for what it is - a societal problem and an issue with our entire species - we went down the "shame and blame the individual" route. An understandable choice but one that does make it harder to actually confront the issues that lead to racism in the first place.
The police who attended the incident were put in a bad position - caught between a rock and a hard place. One the one hand they've not got all the facts, just an accusation of racism and a young kid claiming he's bleeding out. They were (in their heads) damned if they did and damned if they didn't. And then they acted horrendously anyway.
Think you've also got to look at what's been done to policing since 2010. Numbers have been cut, funding has been cut, departments are overstretched, there's no bobbies on the beat getting to know these young lads and understand them. Just over-worked and under-trained people paralysed by fear, ignorant of the people they're serving, and the repercussions of mistakes lingering in their heads in crunch moments.
Whole thing is a tragedy.
Instead one of them said ‘nah, I don’t think you have, mate’ - after dragging him along the gravel - and then asked the one who clearly had no injuries if he was injured.
That isn’t being put in a bad position. It’s being sent out to a job and acting like a complete ****.
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Sorry my bad for not explaining clearly. I was comparing the two guys, one a student the other a known criminal -:No need for playground insults, but there was no alleged armed robbery, that’s just not true. And this isn’t a matter of opinion or interpretation- you’re just incorrectly describing the circumstances in which he was murdered.
George Floyd had a criminal record that included multiple convictions for drug possession, theft, and trespassing. His most serious conviction was for a 2007 aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon, for which he pleaded guilty and served a five-year prison sentence.
While his history includes these criminal offenses, the circumstances of his death were distinct from his past. In 2020, Floyd was killed by a police officer, Derek Chauvin, while being arrested on suspicion of passing a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill. Chauvin was subsequently convicted of murder for kneeling on Floyd's neck
Clearly no reasonable person would say that was comparable. No suggestion that Floyd was not unlawfully killed either, the murderer was convicted for the crime too. Hope that’s clarified
Tugay One Cup
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Who’s this shit stirring ****?
I question the mental health of anyone who wilfully watches his stuff, let alone share it with others.
Genuinely one of the most pathetic people on the internet.
yeah, fair enough.Sorry my bad for not explaining clearly. I was comparing the two guys, one a student the other a known criminal -:
George Floyd had a criminal record that included multiple convictions for drug possession, theft, and trespassing. His most serious conviction was for a 2007 aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon, for which he pleaded guilty and served a five-year prison sentence.
While his history includes these criminal offenses, the circumstances of his death were distinct from his past. In 2020, Floyd was killed by a police officer, Derek Chauvin, while being arrested on suspicion of passing a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill. Chauvin was subsequently convicted of murder for kneeling on Floyd's neck
Clearly no reasonable person would say that was comparable. No suggestion that Floyd was not unlawfully killed either, the murderer was convicted for the crime too. Hope that’s clarified
I said they acted horrendously. Unsure what else I could have said to satisfy you.I genuinely can’t believe you’ve posted that, you can’t have done with a straight face. If they didn’t have the facts, they should have taken the claims of Henry seriously. He wasn’t a threat and was on the ground saying he’d been stabbed. They are rightly damned because it took him losing consciousness for them to believe him. Their comments towards him were of mockery before he lost consciousness.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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HMG is stating that the police must look at their 'policy documents'! I always thought that the Home Office were in charge of police forces, and wouldn't any anti-racist policy of every police force be lodged with the Home Secretary?
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Yep that’s wrong he was trying to pass forged money, unfortunately for him he wouldn’t comply with the officers trying to put him in the police car, the officer seems to have been a wrong un who was convicted of 3rd degree murder equal to our man slaughter ie didn’t intend to kill him. No way does that justify his death and doesn’t really relate to the death of Henry Nowak our police officer didn’t cause his death but treated him appallingly as his life ebbed away.No need for playground insults, but there was no alleged armed robbery, that’s just not true. And this isn’t a matter of opinion or interpretation- you’re just incorrectly describing the circumstances in which he was murdered.
Maybe what used to be ABC Accept Nothing Believe Nothing Check Everything has been changed to BAC in Hampshire Believe All Cunts!What worries me is the police who were there that has not instinct common sense there thinking is for anyone is always don’t believe what someone is saying!
What do you think of the Race Action Plan that I've seen is being reviewed this morning?
Has that potentially effected how officers deal with these types of incidents? i.e maybe a subconscious bias to go too far the other way?
The race action plan is why we see accusations of two tier policing and is why we horrifically saw a young man handcuffed, lay bleeding to death with not a hint of humanity shown to him.
It’s another example of well intentioned no doubt, guff because everyone is scared to fucking death of being called a racist.
"Everyone"? I can honestly say i don't worry about being called a racist, ever, because i'm not racist. If someone tries to call me racist, they will fucking struggle to prove it, because i'm not racist. It's actually really simple.The race action plan is why we see accusations of two tier policing and is why we horrifically saw a young man handcuffed, lay bleeding to death with not a hint of humanity shown to him.
It’s another example of well intentioned no doubt, guff because everyone is scared to fucking death of being called a racist.
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The race action plan is why we see accusations of two tier policing and is why we horrifically saw a young man handcuffed, lay bleeding to death with not a hint of humanity shown to him.
It’s another example of well intentioned no doubt, guff because everyone is scared to fucking death of being called a racist.
Hypothetically, if the murderers were a stereotypical white family reporting the same set of circumstances (or similar, minus the turban). Why and how do you think the attending officers would have approached and dealt with the situation differently?
I'm bewildered by the amount of people who think they dealt with it the way which they did because of the race/turban aspect.
I think the crux of the entire event is that even if the officers arrived with assumed ideas, which was somewhat understandable given that they were hearing from a family who had called the police versus a single person who was said to be attacking them, the issue is that they somehow failed to reassess the situation after arriving, they should never be taking other peoples word as fact and should judge situations themselves, because shockingly people lie.
It must be rare that a group who just stabbed someone would call the police and remain there when the guy was surely going to die and they are obviously the culprit, I dont think its surprising the police believed them at face value.
From the footage though, it's incredibly clear that events were not as they had been described to them. Had they reassessed the situation properly with even a shred of curiosity they would have quickly seen the reality of what was happening. While Henry might still not have survived, the police did not know that at the time, they could have treated him with some dignity and provided him with aid rather than dehumanising him in his final moments. Had this been someone with survivable injuries he might have still died due to their actions.
This is the key issue that needs to be learned by the police, they shouldnt blindly believe anything without assessing it yourself, they tunnel visioned on their preconceived idea of what was happening.
It must be rare that a group who just stabbed someone would call the police and remain there when the guy was surely going to die and they are obviously the culprit, I dont think its surprising the police believed them at face value.
From the footage though, it's incredibly clear that events were not as they had been described to them. Had they reassessed the situation properly with even a shred of curiosity they would have quickly seen the reality of what was happening. While Henry might still not have survived, the police did not know that at the time, they could have treated him with some dignity and provided him with aid rather than dehumanising him in his final moments. Had this been someone with survivable injuries he might have still died due to their actions.
This is the key issue that needs to be learned by the police, they shouldnt blindly believe anything without assessing it yourself, they tunnel visioned on their preconceived idea of what was happening.
They’d have actually been neutral instead of believing one group and completely ignoring the victim on the floor.Hypothetically, if the murderers were a stereotypical white family reporting the same set of circumstances (or similar, minus the turban). Why and how do you think the attending officers would have approached and dealt with the situation differently?
I'm bewildered by the amount of people who think they dealt with it the way which they did because of the race/turban aspect.
Hypothetically, if the murderers were a stereotypical white family reporting the same set of circumstances (or similar, minus the turban). Why and how do you think the attending officers would have approached and dealt with the situation differently?
I'm bewildered by the amount of people who think they dealt with it the way which they did because of the race/turban aspect.
Read the Hampshire police race action plan.