Nigel Farage

[Pingu the Penguin]

Where?

Again I ask you to point to one single thing that the police did in the Novak situation that points towards race being a factor. You can't because there isn't one, and that's why you and Nige and Tommy 2 names band of thugs are wrong.

I personally think this is a case of negligence rather than anything more systemic.

However, that shouldn’t be ruled out just yet and in fact pursuing that line of enquiry to conclusion is beneficial to stop it being picked at by those seeking to profit from this case.

Amongst the missed opportunities to disrupt the Manchester bomber a security guard said he didn’t want to stop the bomber for fear of being labelled racist. Obviously this person wasn’t a policeman but it is at least some evidence of white people being fearful to tackle non white people for fear of retaliatory accusations

Manchester Arena Inquiry: Security 'did not approach bomber over racism fears'

A security guard says he "had a bad feeling" about Salman Abedi, Manchester inquiry hears.

www.bbc.co.uk

In this case the brothers concocted a racism accusation between themselves. It’s probably wrong to try and get behind the reasoning of 2 people who are awful human beings but it is plausible to think they did so as they felt it might be believed.

As I say though, I think the real issues in this case aside from the callous murder is the crap response from the officers on scene as opposed to issues of race, but some people don’t even appear to accept the police did anything wrong.

For things to get better in the world we need to keep talking about this and not shout at each other though. I’ve been tempted today to do that on here and it doesn’t help

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

the question surely is why wasn't henry believed, the officers as far i'm concerned should trust no one until actual facts are established, by all means take what has been said on board but that's different to just believing the first one to speak
terrible policing

I wasn't just the first one to speak at the scene that would have influenced the initial actions of the attending officer. The officers would have been primed by their dispatch officer prior to arrival, who would have given them a rundown of the situation, based on the details of the 999 call, which we now know to be a cruel fabrication.

Establishing the facts of any situation when you arrive on scene is often difficult at the best of time, and a whole lot worse in a high-pressure situation. It's a tragedy what happened, and the irony is that had the officers been taken more than a few minutes to arrive he would have already been dead, and this wouldn't even be a national news story.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I wasn't just the first one to speak at the scene that would have influenced the initial actions of the attending officer. The officers would have been primed by their dispatch officer prior to arrival, who would have given them a rundown of the situation, based on the details of the 999 call, which we now know to be a cruel fabrication.

Establishing the facts of any situation when you arrive on scene is often difficult at the best of time, and a whole lot worse in a high-pressure situation. It's a tragedy what happened, and the irony is that had the officers been taken more than a few minutes to arrive he would have already been dead, and this wouldn't even be a national news story.

As has been discussed today at length on the relevant thread I think it is right to point out that as soon as the police got to the scene the killer’s father told them Henry was injured and the policeman also immediately identified he was hurt.

 

[Vic]

Let’s compare the response of this grifting, racist, misogynist piece of shit, not to a black American man murdered by a policeman in America but to a white British woman abducted, raped and murdered by UK policeman Wayne Couzens.

It was an horrific event and Couzens was sentenced to whole life in prison and will, hopefully, never get out,

After Couzens was convicted, the grifter issued yet another ‘address’ and said the following:

“We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police”
Not only that, he actively defended the police whilst urging the British public to stay calm and not to let this bad apples action poison the well of the police.

Compare and contrast his latest public utterances about 2 tier policing and then actually said
“The rest of us responded with pure, cold rage”

The desired riots and attacks on the police dutifully followed.

What could have motivated the grifter to have changed his approach from one senseless murder to another?
It can only be either the perpetrator of one was white and the other wasn’t or that one victim was a woman and one was a man. Sadly, it’s likely both of those things are true.
Still, nobody is asking him about £5 million anymore…

Let's talk about the latest £9m donations to his company (Reform).

 

[Vic]

Bollocks have you read my posts on him calling him a **** and criticising his commons speech. You’re no longer in your echo chamber, people will disagree with you.

He didn't really say anything new in his Commons speech. Just doubled down and said the rage would grow. You defended the first cold rage comment that - guess what - led to the usual right-wing attacks on the police.

 

[Ban-jani]

He didn't really say anything new in his Commons speech. Just doubled down and said the rage would grow. You defended the first cold rage comment that - guess what - led to the usual right-wing attacks on the police.

We’ve already been over this, you sent me his commons speech and asked me to comment, I gave my view on it then and why refusing to condemn the violence was a mistake, you didn’t say anything at the time when I responded to you.

On his first speech, I understand why it was made and said it reflected a natural reaction to the footage. A day or two later when he had the chance to calm the situation, he didn’t, and that was extremely poor, but he’s playing to the gallery which he does.

 

[Vic]

The Alex Jay inquiry in 2014 literally stated on a significant number of occasions victims weren’t believed, ignored, failed because of the races of the perpetrators and the victims.

The 2025 review by Louise Casey concluded that authorities had often “shied away” from discussing offender ethnicity and that fears of appearing racist contributed to failures in data collection and investigation. It found evidence of over-representation of Asian/Pakistani suspects in some local datasets while also noting that national ethnicity data was often incomplete.

Victims have argued that predominantly white working-class girls were dismissed as unreliable, troublesome, or responsible for their own exploitation. Official reports repeatedly found victim-blaming attitudes and class prejudice.

This is all official literature from the reviews taken.

Now what do you say?

Irrelevant to the death of Henry Nowak.

 

[Vic]

I think the reason he wasn't believed was -

- Police went in with a preconceived idea of the disturbance they would find. They weren't called to a stabbing.
- There was no clear sign he'd been stabbed. The bleeding was almost all internal and there was no weapon around.
- They were met with an organised conspiracy by an entire family denying there was a stabbing with a story that confirmed what they were told they were going to find on arrival.

I think the Police were negligent, I'm just yet to see any evidence offered that race was a factor in him not being believed as Farage claims.

And "neighbours heard Nowak say he had been stabbed and was dying" but it seems they didn't call 999.

 

[Ban-jani]

Irrelevant to the death of Henry Nowak.

No it’s not, it shows the police have a history of over correction and reverse racism, that many people think has been a significant factor in how Henry Nowak was treated.

 

[Manc baggie]

I’ve just finished listening to the audiobook ‘The Second World War’ by Anthony Beevor.
The early chapters detail the rise of the far right & Hitler in the 1930’s.
What struck me and honestly depressed me as I listened, was how much farage sounds like Hitler did in the 1930’s. Some of the phrases and certainly the rhetoric, were depressingly very similar.
How anyone can view farage as anything other than a racist scumbag, is beyond me.
The thought occurred to me more than once, that we really have learned nothing.

 

[bluejon]

I’ve just finished listening to the audiobook ‘The Second World War’ by Anthony Beevor.
The early chapters detail the rise of the far right & Hitler in the 1930’s.
What struck me and honestly depressed me as I listened, was how much farage sounds like Hitler did in the 1930’s. Some of the phrases and certainly the rhetoric, were depressingly very similar.
How anyone can view farage as anything other than a racist scumbag, is beyond me.
The thought occurred to me more than once, that we really have learned nothing.

Tale as old as time though, Hitler just happened to be particularly successful at it. Anger is a powerful manipulator.

 

[Manc baggie]

Tale as old as time though, Hitler just happened to be particularly successful at it. Anger is a powerful manipulator.

Fear and anger were indeed the tools of Hitler and now trump. farage is doing the same.
farage was exposed as a no nowt liar the morning after the brexit result & couldn’t back track fast enough on the ‘assurances’ that brexit would be the answer to all the UK’s problems. I thought that would be the end of him, but here we are again, giving this scumbag way too much airtime & treating him as a serious politician, when he has no idea how to actually solve things like immigration. He will say he will do x, y & z, but it’s easy to promise anything when you don’t actually have the power or plans, or, more importantly, the co-operation of multiple other nations, to deliver on those promises. If immigration control was easy, then the current & previous governments would have solved it too. It’s not an ideological problem, it’s an actual problem, which affects millions of actual people in numerous countries around the world. farage is a snake oil salesman who would say and do anything, at the expense of everyone, to get in power and then make as much money as possible.

 

[Bantamgaz]

All i can say on him is if folk are that desperate to turn to him as some kind of savour then then Labour and the Conservatives should hang there heads in shame for allowing it to happen ..........

 

[bluejon]

All i can say on him is if folk are that desperate to turn to him as some kind of savour then then Labour and the Conservatives should hang there heads in shame for allowing it to happen ..........

I agree, but one thing i find completely shocking on a daily basis is the viciousness towards starmer, reeves and labour from the majority of the press, that started from day one. i'm not surprised people think nothing of them, they are constantly being told from all sides that they are complete traitors who are only on the take. regardless of starmer's faults, and there's definitely been many (the national insurance thing has been a disaster) but they are nothing like as bad as the previous crowd, yet the vitriol is off the scale. Just look at the difference as to how Angela Raynor has been treated compared to Tice when it comes to tax issues. And just imagine it turned out that Starmer had been gifted £5million from a private source, clearly has lied repeatedly about how he pays for his house etc. Night and day. The press are significantly to blame for where we are. Weirdly, twitter is helping a bit right now. The fact Musk thinks Lowe is an even remotely credible candidate for PM just shows what a thick fucking idiot he is.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I agree, but one thing i find completely shocking on a daily basis is the viciousness towards starmer, reeves and labour from the majority of the press, that started from day one. i'm not surprised people think nothing of them, they are constantly being told from all sides that they are complete traitors who are only on the take. regardless of starmer's faults, and there's definitely been many (the national insurance thing has been a disaster) but they are nothing like as bad as the previous crowd, yet the vitriol is off the scale. Just look at the difference as to how Angela Raynor has been treated compared to Tice when it comes to tax issues. And just imagine it turned out that Starmer had been gifted £5million from a private source, clearly has lied repeatedly about how he pays for his house etc. Night and day. The press are significantly to blame for where we are. Weirdly, twitter is helping a bit right now. The fact Musk thinks Lowe is an even remotely credible candidate for PM just shows what a thick fucking idiot he is.

Why is it shocking?

 

[Vic]

Why is it shocking?

Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian had a nice summary. "Even his critics concede that his record-breaking unpopularity seems out of proportion to anything he has actually done... it's not like he has started an illegal war or crashed the economy."

 

[bluejon]

Why is it shocking?

Fair point. It should be, but it's normal.

 

[BTH]

no worse than the Labour Party and their left wing moron followers!

There's nothing quite like demonstrating your ignorance in such a public and humiliating way.

I can only imagine you've been blinded by all those flashing lights.

 

[NPBlue]

no worse than the Labour Party and their left wing moron followers!

It's depressing reading comments like this which are so common these days.

I think you should take a bit of time to think about the benefits left wing morons have given you, each and every one opposed by the tories.

It's been a battle, bloody at times, for the average person to raise themselves above the level of abject poverty bestowed on us by our Lords and Masters which has been the norm for centuries.

What we have isn't normal. Having nothing is traditionally the norm. Don't take your paid hoiday leave, free healthcare, pensions and consumer protections for granted.

The people you support despise you.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I responded to your post that quite literally had scandals dating back 60 years included in it. You’re not going to squirm out of it mate.

I said there’s a history of reverse racism, my post specifically spoke about the Grooming Gang Scandal and you said prove it.

I have and that’s it. The official reviews have shown widespread significant reverse racism as being at the centre of that scandal.

Why I think Henry Nowak’s case is similar, is the same behaviours were there in how the police dealt with the situation. As I’ve also said, the policing minister thinks there’s a review needed into training on anti racism, you said it was a far right conspiracy and that’s the only reason people are angry.

Nottingham murders and southport too. Both unfortunately could have been avoided