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What do you disagree with?

the fact that arsenal has spent less than others in the top 4 gives them a right to some supposed moral high ground
the fact is they have spent more than the rest and that kept them there
do you think they have just used ticket sale money to get them there? have they bollocks
 
It means that I'm not ashamed of my club because I dont feel the need to go onto another board to try and put people straight and justify our spending by pointing out facts about their club from nearly one hundred years ago.
Thats possibly the stupidest thing I've heard all day.
 
It means that I'm not ashamed of my club because I dont feel the need to go onto another board to try and put people straight and justify our spending by pointing out facts about their club from nearly one hundred years ago.

To be fair dasblue i've just been looking at your post history...you obviously like to rock the boat somewhat and have over several thread subjects...are you a WUM or just a fan of another team...honesty is the best policy
 
the fact that arsenal has spent less than others in the top 4 gives them a right to some supposed moral high ground

In their eyes it does, its something that they are proud of , someone comparing what we have spent to their £50m Fizsmann money is frankly bizzare and embarssing

Sometimes you just have to admit that finishing in the top four without significant spending is a decent achievment , but you cant do that on here becuase people think you are wierd and any alternative views are shameful
 
It means that I'm not ashamed of my club because I dont feel the need to go onto another board to try and put people straight and justify our spending by pointing out facts about their club from nearly one hundred years ago.
It's Arsenal fans who like to bang on about their "history" and claim they're the "purer" club while apparently having little grasp of the details. You can hardly criticise some City fans for pointing out the truth.
 
It means that I'm not ashamed of my club because I dont feel the need to go onto another board to try and put people straight and justify our spending by pointing out facts about their club from nearly one hundred years ago.
That doesn't make any sense.
In their eyes it does, its something that they are proud of , someone comparing what we have spent to their £50m Fizsmann money is frankly bizzare and embarssing

Sometimes you just have to admit that finishing in the top four without significant spending is a decent achievment , but you cant do that on here becuase people think you are wierd and any alternative views are shameful
Yes, they can sit back and bask in the glory of finishing 4th every year (except for a couple of 3rds) and qualifying for Europe for the last 11 years while paying the highest ticket prices in the league and making their rich owners even richer. What a feeling.
 
In their eyes it does, its something that they are proud of , someone comparing what we have spent to their £50m Fizsmann money is frankly bizzare and embarssing

Sometimes you just have to admit that finishing in the top four without significant spending is a decent achievment , but you cant do that on here becuase people think you are wierd and any alternative views are shameful

In relative terms, the Fiszman money 20 years ago was the equivalent to hundreds of millions in today's football world. And let's get this right - if Arsenal didn't have London-weighting in their favour which enables them to charge much higher prices for match tickets and corporate hospitality then they'd have found it a lot more difficult to finish in the top 4 with their model. That doesn't mean Wenger doesn't deserve any credit - of course he does. But he's the last person who should be pontificating about "financial doping", considering he managed a financially doped club for 7 years between 1987 and 1994.
 
To be fair dasblue i've just been looking at your post history...you obviously like to rock the boat somewhat and have over several thread subjects...are you a WUM or just a fan of another team...honesty is the best policy

I'm definately a city fan but not a blinkered one. I'm also a football fan in general who can see an argument from both sides of the fence.

Its amazing how many people queue up to attack you if you present the alternative view.

We have been really lucky over the past seven years. Its something we could have never dreamed of before that point. I think the fact that we have been attacked so fiercely for all of these seven years has meant our fans have become very sensitive to criticism, which to a point is understandable. Some City fans have tried to argue against this critisim by trying to point out perceived hypocrisy , many of these arguments are weak at best. They then try to legitimise their arguments by posting links to said defences on here , which is usually met with roaring approval. I dont get that, I'm not a psycologist but it would appear to be trying to mask insecurities.

Anyway , I'm sure this post will be ridiculed along with the others
 
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I'm definately a city fan but not a blinkered one. I'm also a football fan in general who can see an argument from both sides of the fence.

Its amazing how many people queue up to attack you if you present the alternative view.

Whave been really lucky over the past seven years. Its something we could have never dreamed of before that point. I think the fact that we have been attacked so fiercely for all of these seven years has meant our fans have become very sensitive to criticism, which to a point is understandable. Some City fans have tried to argue against this critisim by trying to point out perceived hypocrisy , many of these arguments are weak at best. They then try to legitimise their arguments by posting links to said defences on here , which is usually met with roaring approval. I dont get that, I'm not a psycologist but it would appear to be trying to mask insecurities.

Anyway , I'm sure this post will be ridiculed along with the others

You're not seeing both sides of the story, you are seeing one and you're putting down anyone that thinks otherwise with snide comments like "masking insecurities" and "ashamed of the club".

Thats why your posts are getting the criticism they are getting.
 
I'm definately a city fan but not a blinkered one. I'm also a football fan in general who can see an argument from both sides of the fence.

Its amazing how many people queue up to attack you if you present the alternative view.

Whave been really lucky over the past seven years. Its something we could have never dreamed of before that point. I think the fact that we have been attacked so fiercely for all of these seven years has meant our fans have become very sensitive to criticism, which to a point is understandable. Some City fans have tried to argue against this critisim by trying to point out perceived hypocrisy , many of these arguments are weak at best. They then try to legitimise their arguments by posting links to said defences on here , which is usually met with roaring approval. I dont get that, I'm not a psycologist but it would appear to be trying to mask insecurities.

Anyway , I'm sure this post will be ridiculed along with the others

not read anything else on this today, but your post died at this point, absolutely died.
 
Every club arrives at their position 'today' due to a number of past events.
Over the course of a club's history, there may have been disaster, poor ownership, good ownership, well spent investment, poorly spent investment, even a mix of good and bad fortune too.

Investment made 100 years ago, can influence the state of a club today.
Manchester United for instance had an Old Trafford capacity of 80,000 in the 1920's - which was far higher than any other club. At that time, it wasn't to fulfill the needs of an 80K crowd, it was more a case of 'build it and they will come'. That investment by a benefactor sowed an incredible seed for the future.

We are currently the brunt of people's objections because our benefactor is relatively recent, whilst those of 50-100 years ago are now considered 'irrelevant' (wrongly).

Arsenal, nor any other club for that matter, haven't made all their money from football alone. They have done so through speculative investments over the years. They, like others, including ourselves, have had to branch out from pure sport into the world of business, selling merchandise, buying land and property, investing in infrastuctureetc. They've done that through investor financing, where money the club did NOT have, was loaned to them on the understanding that they'd eventually be able to pay it back with interest.
They've done that with aplomb, which is what any successful business will do.
We too are doing the ssame, only we are doing so on a larger scale, and are much earlier into our project than they are theirs.

Arsenal have chosen in some part, to recoup their costs by charging their fans a relatively high price. That's their business, and it's for their fans to reconcile. I'm not sure City fans would be quite as willing to pay such a price for all manner of socio-economic reasons, but that's another matter.

People are right to try and educate other fans, or at least make them see things from our angle. History is important, and it's very narrow minded to believe it doesn't matter, or hasn't influenced the fortunes of all our clubs.

Of course Manchester City have bought success, or more correctly, used money to massively improve the odds of success. It is no coincidence that the relationship between spending and success has been established for over 100 years - it's nothing new! Arsenal are big spenders make no mistake. They are not as big as many of their rivals, but they outspend the majority of English clubs, which is why they remain in the upper echelons of English football. That's not to say they couldn't have made a hash of things and wasted their money, they could, but still, they've spent handsomely - which is why they repeatedly out perform Norwich City, or Blackburn Rovers (who incidentally, when given money, albeit for a brief period, managed to win the league themselves).

City were financially wreckless in the late 70's and early 80's and it effectively caused 25 years of mediocrity (at best). That was no fault of the fans. Now we've had good fortune, again no fault of the fans.
Arsenal are entirely free to cut new deals with partners, think up more creative revenue streams and compete with us. They can even sell themselves as a going concern to wealthier owners if they wish. There is absolutely nothing stopping them beating us at our own game. If they choose not to do so, that's fine, but they should stop moaning about their own choices.

They chose to invest heavily in a beautiful stadium, and spend moderately in the mean time. Once the stadium was paid for, it would leave them in a seriously good position to buy the very best players and win things aplenty.
We choose to invest in infrastructure too, but also in players, and so far it's paid off for us. If Arsenal failed to anticipate other clubs finding investment, that's their mistake.

No sensible City fan will claim we aren't using money to win things. We are.
Our argument is that it's been going on for years with other clubs, and it is they who are in denial of it. And that is where the argument shifts. Suddenly, it changes from 'who has spent handsomely' into 'who is worthy of spending handsomely'.

Apparently, we aren't worthy, whilst others are. There's some secret law about which investors and which clubs can monetise their brand, and which can't.
Making money from charging high prices, or selling merchandise in the millions to China is 'legit', whilst becoming an advertising platform for Abu Dhabi, and creating sister clubs is not 'legit'.
 
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This dasblues character is a wrong'en going off his post history.

Here's a post of his from the Utd thread. Are City in for him?

"Looks like are willing to spend north of £25m in Schneiderlin , he's a decent player but that seems a bit steep.

Can see this working out similar to Adam the Lama at the mickeys, decent player for a mid table team but not good enough for where they want to go"
 
This dasblues character is a wrong'en going off his post history.

Here's a post of his from the Utd thread. Are City in for him?

"Looks like are willing to spend north of £25m in Schneiderlin , he's a decent player but that seems a bit steep.

Can see this working out similar to Adam the Lama at the mickeys, decent player for a mid table team but not good enough for where they want to go"

No, which is why I posted it in the Utd thread ???
 

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