The Calais problem (merged)

well if you support bombing the shit out if countries because the US or Israel tell you to

If you keep on and on about paying less tax then some of the things that get cut are border controls

If you keep on saying the EU should be fun in UK terms only then wonder why no one else in Europe bothers to help us

if you actually believe the amount unfairly claimed off the benefit system is even 10 per cent of what the tax avoiders owe

if you're happy to see desperate people risking everything but turning your back

if you think getting rid of the "dictators" in some countries without understanding the vacuum it creates and theologians and groups who move into it thus meaning you lose opportunity to stop the people smugglers

if you believe the market rules everything and we should all aspire to make as much wealth for ourselves as possible - look after number 1 and fuck the rest. People traffickers who aspire to the Keynes/Thatcher credo

Then you end up with Calais
 
Cam threatening to send in the Dogs and erect a few more fences.
LOL.
Tories good at spin but not in dealing with the actualitee .
But no worry Dave's on it, he get's it.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
That's the type of point I was making in a nicer way.

There is no need for them to end up here and nobody is putting the big question out there as to why they want to be here due to our PC world.
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Oh bollocks,all these lot risking life and limb to get here so they can buy a shit computer.
 
Rascal said:
We bomb foreign lands and wonder why people want to leave them. We help create the likes of ISIS and the Taliban and wonder why people want to leave there. As a former Imperial power on whose empire never set and on which we built the wealth of the nation we wonder why those people look to the "colonial" master when times are hard.

The claim asylum at the point of entry to the EU is silly,because If granted they can come to the UK on an EU passport without risking there lives.

Germany has taken 176,000 asylum seekers, the UK just 24,000. Whether we like it or not people on this planet see the UK as a bastion of fairness and justice ( they should read here and that notion would soon be banished from there heads) Im quite proud of how the UK is viewed abroad but our current Government is doing its best to make us look a total bunch of selfish inward looking twats.
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Really??? If this is the case what is the problem? Why don't they do it if it will give them what they want?

These people, you see them in news broadcasts, are not asylum seekers in fear of their lives. There is no place for them in this country and we should be deporting them back to their homelands without even contemplating giving them asylum.

If they were genuine asylum seekers they would do as you suggest and apply at the first opportunity.
 
Len Rum said:
Cam threatening to send in the Dogs and erect a few more fences.
LOL.
Tories good at spin but not in dealing with the actualitee .
But no worry Dave's on it, he get's it.
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He is like a rabbit caught in the headlights floundering about spitting out spin, the man has not got a clue until yesterday his government were telling Kent County Council that it was their problem and they would have to pay to sort out the mess, until the media got hold of it, and that included the Police what a fine government we have
 
When I received my visa to live in the States, I had to sign that I understood I would not be able to get benefits of any kind once I enter the country.
Do the same to those in Calais. Allow them to enter, but they have to understand there are no benefits... housing, dole, health care. They have to be self sufficient and contributing before they reap the access to the health care system.
 
yorknomore said:
The current system doesn't allow for people who can't pay for healthcare like the people at Calais.If we let them in and we don't house them and give them money they will get money from other means,what do you think they are going to do?
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I am answering MES's hypothesis. Unless it is an emergency they will not be treated. As is they cannot open a bank account or a myriad of things we take for granted, so if we go down the route of MES's theory, they would be banjoed anyway because as you say, they don't look minted.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
I am answering MES's hypothesis. Unless it is an emergency they will not be treated. As is they cannot open a bank account or a myriad of things we take for granted, so if we go down the route of MES's theory, they would be banjoed anyway because as you say, they don't look minted.
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That's what would happen agreed,so actually letting them in would guarantee a crime wave.
 
yorknomore said:
That's what would happen agreed,so actually letting them in would guarantee a crime wave.
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That is a pretty big jump in an assumption. We have no way of knowing.
Maybe MES has some ideas on how to integrate those people.
Starting them off with somewhere to sleep, eat, shower and treat them as humans. Then maybe have them in a education centre and help them learn English, unless they speak it well enough already. See what qualifications they have. I bet a pound to a pinch of shit there will be plenty of educated people there. After say 6 months of figuring them out and explaining life in Britain, some may want to go home. I would rather be fuckin miserable in the sun. Others may well be ok and see that they have been treated well and respond in kind. Not all countries have the social problems we have.

Just throwing a few out there its 1.30 :)
 
KenTheLandlord said:
That is a pretty big jump in an assumption. We have no way of knowing.
Maybe MES has some ideas on how to integrate those people.
Starting them off with somewhere to sleep, eat, shower and treat them as humans. Then maybe have them in a education centre and help them learn English, unless they speak it well enough already. See what qualifications they have. I bet a pound to a pinch of shit there will be plenty of educated people there. After say 6 months of figuring them out and explaining life in Britain, some may want to go home. I would rather be fuckin miserable in the sun. Others may well be ok and see that they have been treated well and respond in kind. Not all countries have the social problems we have.

Just throwing a few out there its 1.30 :)
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It isn't an assumption if they have no money is it? People have to eat and unless they get welfare they will have to steal. Best to keep them out because if we let them in it will send a message to others wanting to come that we actually let them in.
 
yorknomore said:
It isn't an assumption if they have no money is it? People have to eat and unless they get welfare they will have to steal. Best to keep them out because if we let them in it will send a message to others wanting to come that we actually let them in.
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As i said if we have them somewhere where they can sleep without fear, eat without fear and know they are safe, why would they want to steal?
We do let immigrants in.

To be honest if we actually started doing things to help people in those countries they have escaped from and not bombing the shit out of them or stealing their natural resources they may not want to come. We are only reaping what we have sown.
 
Ducado said:
He is like a rabbit caught in the headlights floundering about spitting out spin, the man has not got a clue until yesterday his government were telling Kent County Council that it was their problem and they would have to pay to sort out the mess, until the media got hold of it, and that included the Police what a fine government we have
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Thats why they are so keen on devolution, on all levels. No longer their problem
 
KenTheLandlord said:
As i said if we have them somewhere where they can sleep without fear, eat without fear and know they are safe, why would they want to steal?
We do let immigrants in.

To be honest if we actually started doing things to help people in those countries they have escaped from and not bombing the shit out of them or stealing their natural resources they may not want to come. We are only reaping what we have sown.
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You mean like a camp/ghetto? hasn't that already been tried in Australia and of course in this country where civil liberty groups constantly propose to allow them out which negated the need for the camps? After reading some stories from failed attempts to control immigration the fear is brought back on themselves by their fellow immigrant inmates (Make no mistake that's what they are).
How many would you allow in? Would there be a limit would you cap it, or would you allow the flood of humanity just to land without any thought of the consequences? As for we shouldn't have bombed them or stripped away their natural resources and the inference that we are reaping what we have sown,we are not reaping anything if we just say no.
Isn't Israel a member of the international community? They should take more in surely considering they too are guilty of destabilising the region, why would a mass of people travel from the ME and park themselves in Calais, leaving their loved ones at home in danger whilst trying to gain entry to a country that quite plainly doesn't want them?
 
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