De Bruyne?

[JosMCFC]

There's a separate thread to discuss post counts here:
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/post-counts.314946/

Let's keep this one on topic, about De Bruyne.

Any updates Ric

 

[Super David Silva 21]

If it's us fannying about and not their end someone needs a good kicking.

 

[BlueAnorak]

In fact there are still two and a half weeks to go in the window. So I expect this will still be going in the run up to the Everton game.

 

[querns]

German rag here (I come in peace :p), just curious about something.

Not necessarily related to KdB, but what's the point of handing in a transfer request? So the player tells his club he wants to move. Yeah, now how does that change anything or put pressure on the selling club? In the end it's still up to the clubs to agree on a fee. I have never heard of this concept outside the Premier League. When two clubs are negotiating, it's kinda obvious that the player wants out, isn't it?

On a related note, is this "permission to speak to the player" AFTER agreeing a fee a real thing? I could imagine a case where clubs reach an agreement after weeks of negotiating only to find out that the player is not even interested in a move. What's the case here is that usually the buying clubs reaches out to the player's agent, works out the contract details and then gets in touch with the selling club.

 

[Neville Kneville]

We keep reading that we have made a bid of 47mil, & Wolfsburg haven't yet replied. May well be completre bollocks, but funnily enough, that was how it was reported with Liverpool & Sterling, just before we signed him.

 

[Damocles]

Not necessarily related to KdB, but what's the point of handing in a transfer request? So the player tells his club he wants to move. Yeah, now how does that change anything or put pressure on the selling club?

Players have loyalty bonuses worth millions written into their contracts. Even if you push through a move by going on strike, if you don't officially hand in a transfer request than you still get paid that bonuses when you leave.

It's often worth a few million quid to the club that they hand in a transfer request

 

[BazIngram]

Hopefully it'll become more clear over the next few days whether or not we have actually made a bid etc. Least KDB hasn't came out and said he doesn't want to move which is promising. Really hope this deal goes through. What an attack that will be.

 

[Neville Kneville]

German rag here (I come in peace :p), just curious about something.

Not necessarily related to KdB, but what's the point of handing in a transfer request? So the player tells his club he wants to move. Yeah, now how does that change anything or put pressure on the selling club? In the end it's still up to the clubs to agree on a fee. I have never heard of this concept outside the Premier League. When two clubs are negotiating, it's kinda obvious that the player wants out, isn't it?

On a related note, is this "permission to speak to the player" AFTER agreeing a fee a real thing? I could imagine a case where clubs reach an agreement after weeks of negotiating only to find out that the player is not even interested in a move. What's the case here is that usually the buying clubs reaches out to the player's agent, works out the contract details and then gets in touch with the selling club.

1) If the player puts in an official transfer request, then the selling club doesn't have to give him the same kind of payoff. It is effectively handing them money back, thus the transfer fee they receive is worth more.

2) Pemission to speak to the 'player' is at the request of the selling club. But nothing can stop anyone from speaking to his agent.

 

[chris63]

De Bruyne told to snub City

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../manchester-city-transfer-window-live-9855035

 

[burning blue soul]

KDB will come to City but he isn't going to force the issue.
We've known this for a while so why the press articles?
Easy - this is simply Wolfsburg reafirming to City what has been said in private - i.e. to pay up or fuck off.

he is being advised very well by someone. just keep quiet and keep doing his thing and let city and wolfsburg come to an agreement in due course. he is also not antagonizing any of the people he may have to end up working with again if this all falls flat.

wolfsburg know they are in a position of strength as well. this transfer is tricky because we are in the weakest position, its all about how much we want KDB to pay what wolfsburg will accept.

i fully expect a deal to be done, but it will most probably be on wolfburgs terms. what a front line we will have then though!!

 

[Hungarian blue]

On a related note, is this "permission to speak to the player" AFTER agreeing a fee a real thing? I could imagine a case where clubs reach an agreement after weeks of negotiating only to find out that the player is not even interested in a move. What's the case here is that usually the buying clubs reaches out to the player's agent, works out the contract details and then gets in touch with the selling club.

That's one of the reasons players use agents and other mediators, so no, it's not a real thing anymore as when clubs contact each other usually an agreement between the player and the buying club is already sorted. At least for 'bigger' transfers.

Marcotti wrote a nice piece on that:
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/marcotti...he-player-agent-era-but-they-are-here-to-stay

 

[citytill1die84]

De Bruyne told to snub City

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../manchester-city-transfer-window-live-9855035

Nothing wrong with what he says. He's spot on actually all top players seem to be leaving other German clubs makig that league even easier for Bayern.

 

[Tez Tosterone]

What's a matter of puzzlement to me is that various sources, some not especially reliable, some usually reliable, stated that an offcial bid of £46m/£47m was made around 6 to 7 days ago.

I assume it is a normal for the club who received the bid to repond either in the affirmative or negative within a day or two. Or do they sometimes put the offer through the office shredder and ignore the communication completely?

It must be either:-

a) They have responded with a "NO" and we (the supporters) are unaware
b) They have completely ignored it and have failed to respond, hoping that we just "go away"
c) We have not made the bid that was reported in the media last week.

 

[acess87]

De Bruyne told to snub City

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../manchester-city-transfer-window-live-9855035

Massive headline, weak content. Robben does nowhere tell KDB not to join us. All he says is he would be happy if good players would stay in the Bundesliga.

 

[Ric]

Any updates Ric

The club are still confident a deal will be done from what I've heard, but looks like the price is being driven up. Told it's likely to be in excess of £50m now, which is more than they had budgeted for.

 

[MeatHunterrr]

The club are still confident a deal will be done from what I've heard, but looks like the price is being driven up. Told it's likely to be in excess of £50m now, which is more than they had budgeted for.

HLN said Wolfsburg are demanding £57m, which looks like they are right then....

 

[Ric]

HLN said Wolfsburg are demanding £57m, which looks like they are right then....

I imagine a more likely scenario would be us meeting somewhere in between our £47m offer and their £57m asking price, so around £52m.

 

[JosMCFC]

The club are still confident a deal will be done from what I've heard, but looks like the price is being driven up. Told it's likely to be in excess of £50m now, which is more than they had budgeted for.

Cheers Ric

 

[Neville Kneville]

What's a matter of puzzlement to me is that various sources, some not especially reliable, some usually reliable, stated that an offcial bid of £46m/£47m was made around 6 to 7 days ago.

I assume it is a normal for the club who received the bid to repond either in the affirmative or negative within a day or two. Or do they sometimes put the offer through the office shredder and ignore the communication completely?

It must be either:-

a) They have responded with a "NO" and we (the supporters) are unaware
b) They have completely ignored it and have failed to respond, hoping that we just "go away"
c) We have not made the bid that was reported in the media last week.

d) The clubs are negotiating a fee, possibly with add ons, very close to what City have offered & it's complex.

As I've just posted, this exact thing happened (according to the media) just before we signed Sterling. Almost the exact figures ( claiming Liverpoool want 50 mil, Wolfsburg want 50 mil). They said City were 'awaiting a response' to our latest bid. It stayed like that for a while, then suddenly we heard that agreement was close, & it was suddenly done.

 

[backforCity]

The club are still confident a deal will be done from what I've heard, but looks like the price is being driven up. Told it's likely to be in excess of £50m now, which is more than they had budgeted for.

We should just pay what is needed for this player. In future dealings, perhaps go after a player we are only half interested in, offer a stupid amount then walk away when the other team say no. That way, we can show that we are not going to ALWAYS pay over the odds. This one is worth it in my opinion.