Rony Lopes

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I want the lad to stay. At the very least I'd like a buy-back clause.

However 8.8m is a lot of money. Before you all jump on me, let me explain.

When you dispose of an asset (which is what footballers are) you take the the entire profit in that year's numbers. Rony Lopes as a young lad whose come through has a low residual value, his initial transfer fee divided by his contract length and the odd additional fee added here and there. This means almost all of the 8.8m will show on our P&L this year.

8.8m exactly covers Sterlings transfer fee cost for the financial year. 44m divided by 5 year contract.

If you're a City fan thats gutted yet another young lad has moved on, allow yourself just a moment to be pleased this is an excellent bit of business. Even better if we add a buy back clause.

I don't agree giving youngsters a chance is a high risk, but when you can afford to take a lower risk you do especially when by selling an unproven kid you can pay for a proven player, albeit for only a year.
 
tonea2003 said:
why would you play inferior player when points are at stake?
they need to play to get better and that unfortunately has to be somewhere else
we can't/wont risk results to enhance individuals
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Why bother having an academy at all then? We might as well just sign players when they're 20/21 if they're good enough for the first team if we're never going to take the risk to blood a youngster.
 
tonea2003 said:
on lopes himself he is at this moment not good enough to force his way into the first 11 on a regular basis. he needs to play to get better, cameo's from the bench is not going to cut it.
so a sale at this point in time is the prudent thing to do as he would walk in a years time.
the academy issue is for another thread, but what is happening happens certainly at chelsea and ourselves and you could argue now at utd and arsenal
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Utd & Arsenal both use young players in their squads & imo haven't got many comparable to the quality City have. If Denayer for instance was at Utd Arse, Liverpool, he would play regularly imo. Not necessarily always at cb, but he'd play. I recon Rony would have been given plenty of minutes by now & they would have an idea whether he would likely make it or not, then act accordingly. If he had been given playing time at City previously, or even seen other kids getting some time, he would imo, be much more likely to have signed a contract & therefore be wiiling to go out on loan, knowing the club were genuinely interested in developing him. The fact that hardly any kids are getting even a sniff, is sending the wrong message to all of them.

I'm not convinced Rony would make it at City, I think he is lacking in a couple of areas, but I can also see where I might be horribly wrong about that. I hope we have a buyback clause.
 
pudge said:
Apologies if I find it disappointing that one of if not our best academy player has been sold without having a proper run in the first team.
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No need to apologise for having an opinion different to someone else.

I really don't see how Lopes could take anyone in this squads place, even with injuries, unlike Denayer who might have, one signed a new deal, and a loan is probably sensible for now, the other wouldn't sign a new deal, leaving the club with little choice.

It is a little disappointing, but it is what it is.
 
Said a while back he wouldn't get in our first team and he would be sold troll my posts it's sad but true what i was saying in the trippier thread or was it the JG thread I forget.It's not for the lack of talent he has shit loads..
He wasn't on Marwoods board plain and simple..:(
 
Seems a bit odd that he's leaving cos he doesn't feel like he'll get a chance in the team and doesn't want to go on loan again, yet the team he's signing for is sending him straight out on loan
 
Cobra said:
Some teams do take the risk, we just chose not to. Just a few days ago Liverpool started with an 18 year old away at Arsenal and bought on another one during the second half.

The idea that teams can’t play youngsters in case they make mistakes is such a cowardly and baffling one. I seem to remember Dimichelis and Navas both making massive mistakes at the end of last season that should have led to goals, and they are two of our most experienced players.

Let’s be honest, if Sterling had signed for us as a 15 year old he would have spent the last 2-3 years going out on pointless loans and would never have been given a chance in the first team.
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Correct.. Apparently we was in for Sterling from QPR also, He went to Liverpool instead, if he didn't choose to go to Liverpool and came to us would he had the first team appearances he's had at Liverpool and become the player he is?!
 
cleavers said:
No need to apologise for having an opinion different to someone else.

I really don't see how Lopes could take anyone in this squads place, even with injuries, unlike Denayer who might have, one signed a new deal, and a loan is probably sensible for now, the other wouldn't sign a new deal, leaving the club with little choice.

It is a little disappointing, but it is what it is.
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Which like you have just said "it is" disappointing, which was my point. Cheers.
 
Cobra said:
Why bother having an academy at all then? We might as well just sign players when they're 20/21 if they're good enough for the first team if we're never going to take the risk to blood a youngster.
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he has had his chances albeit brief ones but if he ain't good enough such is the quality we already have he will have to go elsewhere
by the way what do you count as the risk to blood a youngster?
 
cleavers said:
No need to apologise for having an opinion different to someone else.

I really don't see how Lopes could take anyone in this squads place, even with injuries, unlike Denayer who might have, one signed a new deal, and a loan is probably sensible for now, the other wouldn't sign a new deal, leaving the club with little choice.

It is a little disappointing, but it is what it is.
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He wouldn't need to be in the squad & neither would Denayer. They are U21s, so no risk at all.

Both could be on the bench on Saturday & come on if we were winning comfortably. Denayer would be a legitimite asset as someone (with a bit of prior thought from the manager) who could provide cover for 3 or 4 positions. Lopes would be more of a wild card pick but if I hads to guess at the outcome of both getting on the pitch Saturday, I recon they would both have the crowd applauding.

We are getting this wrong imo, badly wrong.
 
Cobra said:
Why bother having an academy at all then?
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This is a ridiculous question. The answer is obvious, you hope you can bring through the next Messi or Ronaldo, that's why all club (apart from the stupid ones) have them. However realistically there will be very few Messi's or Ronaldo's, so getting them to the first team isn't easy.

We have only really just started with this academy, and it will be a few years before it bears full fruit, I'm confident we'll see those players come through in the future, and if we can't produce them, then there's not many clubs better placed.

It needs patience.
 
tonea2003 said:
he has had his chances albeit brief ones but if he ain't good enough such is the quality we already have he will have to go elsewhere
by the way what do you count as the risk to blood a youngster?
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So he had his chances for City, played a blinder on most of those occasions, what is your point regarding that ? What is he supposed to do when picked ?
 
cleavers said:
This is a ridiculous question. The answer is obvious, you hope you can bring through the next Messi or Ronaldo, that's why all club (apart from the stupid ones) have them. However realistically there will be very few Messi's or Ronaldo's, so getting them to the first team isn't easy.

We have only really just started with this academy, and it will be a few years before it bears full fruit, I'm confident we'll see those players come through in the future, and if we can't produce them, then there's not many clubs better placed.

It needs patience.
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Spot on mate.
 
BigOscar said:
Very little I'd have thought. Monaco buy these players to make a profit, not to sell them back on the cheap. A few of the Benfica fans were claiming the same about €15m being a lot of money for an untested Bernardo Silva, but within 6 months of him being allowed to play first team football it quickly looked like a fraction of his actual value and I imagine they have the same plans for Rony. Seems ironic that we are on the verge of buying De Bruyne for £50m, after Chelsea did pretty much this exact same thing with him.

Can't blame him for going there, it's turning into a Portuguese haven and a place that gives young players the chance to shine. We really need to start showing that we are willing to actually give these players a chance, otherwise we'll be losing a lot more like this.
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What exactly are we losing? He's a player that isn't currently good enough to get on the bench, who's in his last year of contract and has supposedly indicated he has no intention of signing a new one.

I'd sooner we keep playing the best players available, compete for every trophy, have the academy sustain itself by selling on players like Lopes for good fees and wait until we can produce somebody of the calibre needed to play in our first 11. It's a great price for him, He will make a decent career for himself but i very much doubt he'll ever reach the level required to make it in our team. This transfer is the best result for everybody.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Utd & Arsenal both use young players in their squads & imo haven't got many comparable to the quality City have. If Denayer for instance was at Utd Arse, Liverpool, he would play regularly imo. Not necessarily always at cb, but he'd play. I recon Rony would have been given plenty of minutes by now & they would have an idea whether he would likely make it or not, then act accordingly. If he had been given playing time at City previously, or even seen other kids getting some time, he would imo, be much more likely to have signed a contract & therefore be wiiling to go out on loan, knowing the club were genuinely interested in developing him. The fact that hardly any kids are getting even a sniff, is sending the wrong message to all of them.

I'm not convinced Rony would make it at City, I think he is lacking in a couple of areas, but I can also see where I might be horribly wrong about that. I hope we have a buyback clause.
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no way he would get in either of utd and arsenal's team imo
i keep hearing this playing time, when does he play?
he's not good enough to play regularly in a top 4 club at this moment in time, we can't afford to send him out on loan again as he will walk
denayer is a different kettle of fish, we have seen something in him to give him an extended contract so he can go out on loan to develop further
 
cleavers said:
This is a ridiculous question. The answer is obvious, you hope you can bring through the next Messi or Ronaldo, that's why all club (apart from the stupid ones) have them. However realistically there will be very few Messi's or Ronaldo's, so getting them to the first team isn't easy.

We have only really just started with this academy, and it will be a few years before it bears full fruit, I'm confident we'll see those players come through in the future, and if we can't produce them, then there's not many clubs better placed.

It needs patience.
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The academy hasn’t just started, it’s been going for a long time. We’ve recently spent £200 million on a shiny new complex but I’m not sure why we couldn’t have been producing players in the meantime?
 
cleavers said:
They're not developing doing that though, how could they ?
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The same way most of the rags' kids, Sterling etc did. They come on for a few minutes, get used to the feel of it, & we find out if they have anything to work with. If they do, then they repeat it again, then again. If they continue to look the part, they perhaps start in the cup, & then if they look the part, they start in a league game. If they do well there, they become regulars, then next summer or even January we move some of the lesser senior players on, whilst bring a couple more ikids into the picture.

And so on, until suddely we find that players suchas Navas, Fernando Demichelis, Clichy have been replaced by homegrown city kids.
 
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