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BadApple said:
Proven?


You make no sense! All clubs use youth at some point City - Joe Hart - Chelsea - John Terry

My point is that it's common knowledge it's not done often enough.

You proved this yourself by using Jesse as an example 36 games in 4 years! Thanks.
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Nope, that wasn't your point at all, you are moving the goalposts. I would agre with 'it isn't done often enough' & thus we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You tried to suggest that only inferior clubs used kids & now probably wish you had thought about it before posting.

You tried to find a single club to back up your argument & chose Real Madrid. Verane. 18 years old, was playing for Real Madrid.

Proven. Even Real Madrid, the only club you could find outside the newly rich clubs, to give as an example, have actually brought through young players.

Most top clubs in Europe do, City Chelsea & PSG, since having money, have an awful record so far.
 
BadApple said:
Youth if there good enough will make it- We have just spent big on Sterling and he's only 20

Do you put youth before success?
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Those two are not contrasting ideas and it is fairly proven that lasting success is helped by youth more often than not.

And what message does it send to academy players ?
 
Neville Kneville said:
Nope, that wasn't your point at all, you are moving the goalposts. I would agre with 'it isn't done often enough' & thus we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You tried to suggest that only inferior clubs used kids & now probably wish you had thought about it before posting.

You tried to find a single club to back up your argument & chose Real Madrid. Verane. 18 years old, was playing for Real Madrid.

Proven. Even Real Madrid, the only club you could find outside the newly rich clubs, to give as an example, have actually brought through young players.

Most top clubs in Europe do, City Chelsea & PSG, since having money, have an awful record so far.
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I'm not changing no posts Varane was bought for £10 million from Lens he never came through any acadamy!
 
BadApple said:
I'm not changing no posts Varane was bought for £10 million from Lens he never came through any acadamy!
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Neither did Denayer or Lopes. But they & Verane & Walcott, Oxlade etc at Arsenal, Sterling at Liverpool, are all kids who went to clubs hoping to be brought through into the first team.

All those players mentioned were given a much bigger chance to prove themselves around the first team at a young age, than anyone has so far got at City.

It is that, which is the common factor throughout most of the football world. A few clubs are currently way behind the rest in that particular area, & we are one, in spite of having some of the best talent in the world at that age group.
 
Sad to see Lopes go as he had been in the academy for a while and I originally thought he would of been a candidate to make a breakthrough into the first team. Although it is a short term loss it will work out for the best in the long run.
 
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Neville Kneville said:
No it isn't. It is him who is out of step with most other clubs not my post which is wrong.

That is how it is done & still is to this day. It is happening right now in the Premier League & across Europe. City & Chelsea are two of the only clubs who hardly ever do it. Pretty much everyone else does.
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You used the word 'Hardly' and in my opinion Real Madrid and the examples given by you prove that Real Madrid Hardly do it.

So I have proven you wrong

Examples given by you
Jesse 36 games aged 22
Varane who was bought for £10,000,000 has played 66 times in 4 years and not brought through an acadamy.

So is it still just City & Chelsea?
 
BadApple said:
You used the word 'Hardly' and in my opinion Real Madrid and the examples given by you prove that Real Madrid Hardly do it.

So I have proven you wrong

Examples given by you
Jesse 36 games aged 22
Varane who was bought for £10,000,000 has played 66 times in 4 years and not brought through an acadamy.

So is it still just City & Chelsea?
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No it's probably PSG as well.
 
pudge said:
Here ya go @BlueDeadHead, expand your mind instead of being a sad, little troll.

"This was [most of] the post I made with regards to the academy when people were foaming at the mouth at Otamendi signing;


In this instance I personally feel Lopes has shown more than enough to merit a chance and again believe that he's not only capable of getting a match here and there but also taking that chance with both hands. Which is why I find it disappointing, I don't find that an unrealistic expectation.

Yes he's gotten a great move but Lopes is/was one of our prospects primed for the first team imo and it's sad to see how it's played out."
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Oh I see. So when I pointed out how a previous post was intentionally misleading you have now diverted the conversation to something else so as not to have to address the first point. Well done!
 
The academy will hopefully eventually throw up the odd player that will succeed here but we need to be realistic about just how good they'll need to be.

Even very very good players won't necessarily be good enough to succeed at City. Not only that, but the timing has to be right. We need a place in the squad at the same time they come of age (which has meant there's an opportunity for iheanacho).

If we cant bring through all of the more promising players, but can still make 10-20m a year moving some of them on, then the academy will be doing a job.

Id love for some of the academy players to make the grade here, but in truth there is only ever a tiny tiny pool of players good enough to compete at the level we want at any one time. The chances of them having come through our academy are slim.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
Oh I see. So when I pointed out how a previous post was intentionally misleading you have now diverted the conversation to something else so as not to have to address the first point. Well done!
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Wasn't misleading at all, again it was about ability not length of contract. I was even replying not bringing either up in the first place so your gripe wouldn't be with me.

You're quite a sad little man.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Can anyone provide a satisfactory answer as to why a kid would get in our team, provide two assists in a cup semi, & never even get even five more minutes in a proper game for City ?
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Because some people are much happier seeing squad players put in average performances than risk giving youngsters a chance. For some reason it's much worse for a youngster to have a quiet game than a senior player
 
BadApple said:
Depends was the Semi Final a major cup against a big club or in a shit cup against a shit team.
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I don't for one second believe that is a genuine response.

It's unheard of unless a kid breaks his leg, or becomes a piss artist or some other disaster. In all the years I've been watching football, I have never seen a young kid play a game like that & be fucked off out of a club without even getting a sniff of a game. It's ridiculous.
 
BigOscar said:
Because some people are much happier seeing squad players put in average performances than risk giving youngsters a chance. For some reason it's much worse for a youngster to have a quiet game than a senior player
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You've nailed it there I think.

We have Pizzaro propping up the midfield & 97 year old Frank Lampard can get a game, but a 20 year old kid is a potential disaster, who will lose us the title.
 
Neville Kneville said:
You've nailed it there I think.

We have Pizzaro propping up the midfield & 97 year old Frank Lampard can get a game, but a 20 year old kid is a potential disaster, who will lose us the title.
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Yeah, but can kids really offer the sort of reliablitiy and consistent levels of performance off the bench that you can expect from Edin Dzeko, Jesus Navas, James Milner, Samir Nasri and Stevan Jovetic?
 
I would like to have seen him being given more of an opportunity. The club has no option other than to sell if a player won't sign a new contract though so I hope that the other players who have been promoted to the first team squad are given a genuine chance.

I suspect that the club would have made a greater effort to keep him if they had seen enough at Lille and in training.
 
Kind of frustrating that you have three academy products on the squad and now two are gone but that's football. I realize that Pellers and co have to think about picking the best side but at some point they need to take a chance on somebody. The academy players have to be able to see the end game.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
Courtois. Who also happens to be the example that shows that you do NOT need to give a player time in your squad to KNOW he is ready to step into the first team. If they are loaned and play at a high enough level our best can walk right into the squad.
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Someone who had 41 league apps before Chelsea bought him for £10m. No he doesn't count.
 
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