Refugee crisis

mancityvstoke said:
Ffs !!!!

My answer was in the post . Try reading it. Also I don't need a degree on something to post replies on a football forum. You're a bit selective too pal .

I changed my mind after seeing something

Fuck all to do with anyone's ideas on here.

Please also quote where I said no one is welcome and I have a zero tolerance approach.

I had genuine financial concerns and see the pressure on our resources so why can't I say that??????


I've since decided that I'd rather see people safe than worry about the stress on doctors nurses teachers councils etc etc etc

Did you see that ? No you jumped on a bandwagon of pitchfork wielding posters hell bent on having a go at someone for having concerns. Then proceeded to psycho analyse my post history like I have some fucking agenda .
Spend your time doing something more constructive if you want to
help .

I don't usually take this place so seriously and won't bother again as I haven't the time or energy so don't bother doing another load of very selective psycho analysing ....
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Thanks for the reply. I'm glad you've changed your mind and I did say I understood your concerns. I just feel we should always help those in genuine need and if that costs us - so be it.
 
west didsblue said:
The problem is though that Turkey already has the largest Syrian refugee population in the world of around 1.75 million which is over 40% of the total. It's quite likely that Turkish services are overwhelmed by this influx and it's entirely understandable that people want to move on to countries more able to accommodate them. Ideally Turkey would be the best country for the refugees because of it's size, relatively low population density and proximity to Syria; so part of the solution should be richer western countries providing aid to Turkey to help them absorb the refugees.
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Yes, I would agree with this scenario, the western response should be to offer Turkey considerable help, particularly in the short term. Once things stabilise, refugees can then return, anyone who has fled the horror of IS and is a genuine refugee would have no problem returning to their homeland. Those that don't, can be dealt with by the Turkish authorities with regard to their legitimate status.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Rwandan Genocide
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Yes very true. Tragic as well.

Will this in terms of lives lost surpass that? There seems to be massive growing momentum behind this and News reporting and social media are much more pronounced and informative today which seems to bring it closer to home, even though it is all happening, quite literally on our (European) doorstep - from Calais to Turkey/Greece/Italy and still we are almost powerless to stop it.
 
They say you can judge a society by the way it treats those in genuine desperate need,
I tend to think we have, as a society been duped into fearing and resenting "immigrants" by the Toriy scaremongering, were better than that people, our grandparents would be ashamed of some of the spineless, "I'm all right Jack" head in the sand attitude that has been presenting by some of the public.
Half our health service is made up by "immigrants" half the population are of some kind of immigrant descendancy, how many on here have Irish/Welsh/Scottish roots?
It is our moral responsibility as human beings to help others in need, fuck politics, semantics, borders, these people need our help.
It's a crying shame that some people are more interested in burying their heads in the sand, ignoring it,,in the hope it will go away, it's not, it's only going to get worse, and Europe,and the world needs to step up and do something.
 
Bewar3them00n said:
They say you can judge a society by the way it treats those in genuine desperate need,
I tend to think we have, as a society been duped into fearing and resenting "immigrants" by the Toriy scaremongering, were better than that people, our grandparents would be ashamed of some of the spineless, "I'm all right Jack" head in the sand attitude that has been presenting by some of the public.
Half our health service is made up by "immigrants" half the population are of some kind of immigrant descendancy, how many on here have Irish/Welsh/Scottish roots?
It is our moral responsibility as human beings to help others in need, fuck politics, semantics, borders, these people need our help.
It's a crying shame that some people are more interested in burying their heads in the sand, ignoring it,,in the hope it will go away, it's not, it's only going to get worse, and Europe,and the world needs to step up and do something.
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I think you're being rather unkind to British 'society'. 558,000 people moved to the UK in 2014 alone; the figure adds up to several million over the last 10 years. To suggest that this country is not welcoming to people from other countries is directly contradicted by the facts.
 
Bewar3them00n said:
They say you can judge a society by the way it treats those in genuine desperate need,
I tend to think we have, as a society been duped into fearing and resenting "immigrants" by the Toriy scaremongering, were better than that people, our grandparents would be ashamed of some of the spineless, "I'm all right Jack" head in the sand attitude that has been presenting by some of the public.
Half our health service is made up by "immigrants" half the population are of some kind of immigrant descendancy, how many on here have Irish/Welsh/Scottish roots?
It is our moral responsibility as human beings to help others in need, fuck politics, semantics, borders, these people need our help.
It's a crying shame that some people are more interested in burying their heads in the sand, ignoring it,,in the hope it will go away, it's not, it's only going to get worse, and Europe,and the world needs to step up and do something.
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I agree, but the real question is what can we do?

We have a housing crises, an understaffed and under funded NHS and a lack of School places. It is not the desire to NOT do something it is the inability to do anything. If we were to take people in, we would see many many more needing our help and we cannot fund it.

Our best bet is to try and resolve the problem in the country from which they came. I wish we could afford to take people in but the simple answer is we cannot, we are already suffering huge cutbacks in our basic infrastructure and adding to that burden is very sadly not an option.
 
Chancy Termites said:
I think you're being rather unkind to British 'society'. 558,000 people moved to the UK in 2014 alone; the figure adds up to several million over the last 10 years. To suggest that this country is not welcoming to people from other countries is directly contradicted by the facts.
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I'm not disputing your figures but can you post a link to your source? I'd be interested to see how those figures are broken down.
Cheers.
 
Wonder how many of the refugees are ISIS deserters? Fuck it, who cares, they won't be getting vetted anyway.
 
Not been an expert on this but what are the Middle East countries doing to help, Saudi, Kuwait, UAE? Will they not take any or are they doing so already?
 
Bewar3them00n said:
They say you can judge a society by the way it treats those in genuine desperate need,
I tend to think we have, as a society been duped into fearing and resenting "immigrants" by the Toriy scaremongering, were better than that people, our grandparents would be ashamed of some of the spineless, "I'm all right Jack" head in the sand attitude that has been presenting by some of the public.
Half our health service is made up by "immigrants" half the population are of some kind of immigrant descendancy, how many on here have Irish/Welsh/Scottish roots?
It is our moral responsibility as human beings to help others in need, fuck politics, semantics, borders, these people need our help.
It's a crying shame that some people are more interested in burying their heads in the sand, ignoring it,,in the hope it will go away, it's not, it's only going to get worse, and Europe,and the world needs to step up and do something.
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I'm a complete mongrel. Sicilian/Welsh/Scottish/irish. Nonna saw mussolini. She welcomed the allies into her village as a little girl. If she'd been prevented from coming here in the fifties I certainly wouldn't be here. And I consider myself English after being born and raised in Hazel Grove.
 
may i ask opinions and iv'e had this thought for a while, why don't they send in a sufficient amount of troops in into Syria and wipe ISIS off the face of the earth and deal with Assad at the same time once they begin to clean up then bring in united nations to police the place, once this is done the re build can start and the refugees have the country back
 
marco said:
may i ask opinions and iv'e had this thought for a while, why don't they send in a sufficient amount of troops in into Syria and wipe ISIS off the face of the earth and deal with Assad at the same time once they begin to clean up then bring in united nations to police the place, once this is done the re build can start and the refugees have the country back
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Because the west have had enough of their people dying on foreign soil, unfortunately this will have to happen unless the Muslim nations, can forge their own alliance and do it before ISIL, targets Saudi etc. the situation over there is so complicated I don't think they could do it without us, but we have no stomach for it. Depending in who becomes next president of USA may well determine what happens but they won't take charge until November. Also this doesn't affect the USA directly and love them or loathe them if the west decide to go it will have to be American led.
 
marco said:
may i ask opinions and iv'e had this thought for a while, why don't they send in a sufficient amount of troops in into Syria and wipe ISIS off the face of the earth and deal with Assad at the same time once they begin to clean up then bring in united nations to police the place, once this is done the re build can start and the refugees have the country back
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this is the only actual answer

try to stop the exodus at source and allow decent people to live in their own lands

we're at war with the absolute IS filth scum anyway so lets get serious about it

it's the new world war

but we knew that anyway
 
Only read this thread briefly but not so sure why posters feel this poor lads death was in anyway preventable by British politicians, Syria Turkey and Canada seem to be the likely bad boys in this instance

I think if you had a proper discussion about what could fairly be done rather than calling each other cunts it might be worth the time engaging

But as per usual our lovely leaders in the EU will be more concerned with self interest, the whole immigration and asylum system is a mess
 
The root cause is the unrest in the Middle East (and northern Africa for many of those in Calais and the rest of Europe). The issue with migrants will not stop unless the root cause is tackled. When the West has strode into war in that area of the world it hasn't been accepted by those living there, and rightly so. Hence, the only way to resolve this root cause is for the peaceful people of that region to stand up and fight for their home. It's what Britain had to do 75 years ago when it was threatened.

On the photo, it is absolutely tragic but it shouldn't cause anyone to change their opinion on the problem. It is simply highlighting something that has unfortunately been happening in large numbers for some time.

I would suggest that Britain should contribute something - temporary fostering of children from the area possibly - but that something should not be permanent.
 
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