Sunderland Vs City Post Match Thread

[ancoats]

Pathetic and cowardly lineup from the manager saved by the ineptitude of Sunderland. Took him around 30 minutes of us being 4-0 up in a League Cup game to bring on any youth players which speaks to his overwhelming failure to utilize what is probably the most talented and stocked youth setup in the country.

Absolutely pathetic, will be glad to see the back of him.

I think the 2 games we lost at home made the line up choice tonight easy and he had to win this game being a knockout cup game
the line up could have had a couple of youth players starting and I think the result would have been the same in Manchester city winning but again the chance to show boat the Etihad youth campus was lost

but we are picking the bones out of a Manchester city win and the manager choice of line up in the league cup tonight but the real main thing is we are in the draw for the next round so JOB DONE

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

great performance, De Bruyne is quality, impressed with Roberts when he came on. well done lads

 

[Damocles]

I think the 2 games we lost at home made the line up choice tonight easy and he had to win this game being a knockout cup game
the line up could have had a couple of youth players starting and I think the result would have been the same in Manchester city winning but again the chance to show boat the Etihad youth campus was lost

but we are picking the bones out of a Manchester city win and the manager choice of line up in the league cup tonight but the real main thing is we are in the draw for the next round so JOB DONE

No, it's not the main thing. Nobody gives a shit about the League Cup and in fact it's a massive detriment that heavily impacts on the rest come January when you're playing two leg semis at Wembley, presumably still in the FA Cup and the league games. In 13/14 when we went to the semis we killed our squad by overplaying them in December/January, we had 17 games in 2 months and by the time early February game around and it was time to face a just winter breaked Barcelona we were dead on our feet. This is why outright Pellegrini will never win the Champions League because his idea of squad management is playing your best team in every game which batters our squad. Playing Sergio against Juventus, West Ham and in a fucking League Cup game when he's obviously unfit is yet another blunder in this department. No different from how he played Negredo in a League Cup game when were were 6-0 who then picked up a shoulder injury and never recovered his form. It's also why he did well at clubs like Villareal and Malaga who didn't have these fixtures to juggle.

But that's irregardless to the actual point. The actual point is that we're already starting to lose highly talented players because they can't even get a game during the League cup against Championship opposition. Sunderland are soon to be Championship opposition and we gave a £8m signing a debut who has already played numerous competitive league games, played Manu Garcia for 20 minutes then gave George Evans 3 minutes espite the game being won with 60 minutes to go. This is now the 8th consecutive year that we have failed to bring through any youth players into the squad so far. 8 years. Not one player.

We are the only team in the Champions League with 0 homegrown players, meaning we have an actual squad of 21 players unlike the 25 others have which again leads into the other problems

This is a pointless argument on here and I've been having it for years because people have no idea how good our youth players are. Unlike Nacho comes on and scores immediately and now gets posts saying he should play. Obviously he must have taken a major jump in talent in that last two weeks. People on here can't see the wood from the trees, so utterly petrified are they of our youth players that they automatically think that we'll get beat if we play them. Maffeo could walk into most Premier League sides tomorrow. He'd be the best player in any Championship side. Denayer is even better than that and is currently standing out at yet another Champions League club (after previously standing out at a different Champions League club) after we promised him first team football to get him to sign a contract then spunked £30m on a new centre back and fucked him off elsewhere. Think he's happy now? Think he's here for the long term?

I said two years ago that if you couldn't see that this was a developing problem you just weren't paying attention. Now we have 0 homegrown players, constantly knocked out of the February CL game, haven't integrated a new young player into the squad in 8 years and are pissing off most of the youth players who stand a chance to gain actual first team footballer here. If you still can't see it's a problem then it's wilful stupidity.

 

[blue city199]

Pathetic and cowardly lineup from the manager saved by the ineptitude of Sunderland. Took him around 30 minutes of us being 4-0 up in a League Cup game to bring on any youth players which speaks to his overwhelming failure to utilize what is probably the most talented and stocked youth setup in the country.

Absolutely pathetic, will be glad to see the back of him.

Maybe pellegrini knows he is not going to be here next season and wants to try and win as many trophies as possible

 

[marshymcfc]

De Bruyne looks like he can take us to another level. What a talented footballer!

 

[ShieldsBlackCat]

Pathetic and cowardly lineup from the manager saved by the ineptitude of Sunderland. Took him around 30 minutes of us being 4-0 up in a League Cup game to bring on any youth players which speaks to his overwhelming failure to utilize what is probably the most talented and stocked youth setup in the country.

Absolutely pathetic, will be glad to see the back of him.

It is some consolation after the night I had as a SAFC season card holder with a secured seat to our annual FA and League Cup game for the season that it wasn't as happy for you as I thought. I need perking up after seeing yet another weekly serving of to play football all the wrong ways. The only thing worth staying for other than the brilliant goal Toivonen scored was the two pitch invaders. They brought the game to life for us. Made it a better game to watch.

You couldn't by any chance write a letter telling Mr Pellegrini to be our next manager tomorrow, could you? And ask him to bring along Roberto Mancini to boot to help us as a second manager whilst your at it.

 

[tonea2003]

some hard to please on here as usual, game put to bed in half and hour and some are still not happy

i'm sure they would have been told at half time to stick with what we had and not risk anything

 

[City_Sean]

No, it's not the main thing. Nobody gives a shit about the League Cup and in fact it's a massive detriment that heavily impacts on the rest come January when you're playing two leg semis at Wembley, presumably still in the FA Cup and the league games. In 13/14 when we went to the semis we killed our squad by overplaying them in December/January, we had 17 games in 2 months and by the time early February game around and it was time to face a just winter breaked Barcelona we were dead on our feet. This is why outright Pellegrini will never win the Champions League because his idea of squad management is playing your best team in every game which batters our squad. Playing Sergio against Juventus, West Ham and in a fucking League Cup game when he's obviously unfit is yet another blunder in this department. No different from how he played Negredo in a League Cup game when were were 6-0 who then picked up a shoulder injury and never recovered his form. It's also why he did well at clubs like Villareal and Malaga who didn't have these fixtures to juggle.

But that's irregardless to the actual point. The actual point is that we're already starting to lose highly talented players because they can't even get a game during the League cup against Championship opposition. Sunderland are soon to be Championship opposition and we gave a £8m signing a debut who has already played numerous competitive league games, played Manu Garcia for 20 minutes then gave George Evans 3 minutes espite the game being won with 60 minutes to go. This is now the 8th consecutive year that we have failed to bring through any youth players into the squad so far. 8 years. Not one player.

We are the only team in the Champions League with 0 homegrown players, meaning we have an actual squad of 21 players unlike the 25 others have which again leads into the other problems

This is a pointless argument on here and I've been having it for years because people have no idea how good our youth players are. Unlike Nacho comes on and scores immediately and now gets posts saying he should play. Obviously he must have taken a major jump in talent in that last two weeks. People on here can't see the wood from the trees, so utterly petrified are they of our youth players that they automatically think that we'll get beat if we play them. Maffeo could walk into most Premier League sides tomorrow. He'd be the best player in any Championship side. Denayer is even better than that and is currently standing out at yet another Champions League club (after previously standing out at a different Champions League club) after we promised him first team football to get him to sign a contract then spunked £30m on a new centre back and fucked him off elsewhere. Think he's happy now? Think he's here for the long term?

I said two years ago that if you couldn't see that this was a developing problem you just weren't paying attention. Now we have 0 homegrown players, constantly knocked out of the February CL game, haven't integrated a new young player into the squad in 8 years and are pissing off most of the youth players who stand a chance to gain actual first team footballer here. If you still can't see it's a problem then it's wilful stupidity.

Agree with some of this, but it's a hugely difficult situation mate, if we were to play youth, and we went out, Pellegrini would be blasted either for that, the lineup was strong, but I think Aguero needed the game time, as did De Bruyne. Navas will likely be a squad player when Silva is fit.

 

[tonea2003]

Agree with some of this, but it's a hugely difficult situation mate, if we were to play youth, and we went out, Pellegrini would be blasted either for that, the lineup was strong, but I think Aguero needed the game time, as did De Bruyne. Navas will likely be a squad player when Silva is fit.

the only thing i could question about pellegrini last night is that he waited too long to bring the kids on, arguably they should have been all on by the hour mark at the latest

 

[Damocles]

It is some consolation after the night I had as a SAFC season card holder with a secured seat to our annual FA and League Cup game for the season that it wasn't as happy for you as I thought. I need perking up after seeing yet another weekly serving of to play football all the wrong ways. The only thing worth staying for other than the brilliant goal Toivonen scored was the two pitch invaders. They brought the game to life for us. Made it a better game to watch.

You couldn't by any chance write a letter telling Mr Pellegrini to be our next manager tomorrow, could you? And ask him to bring along Roberto Mancini to boot to help us as a second manager whilst your at it.

I like Sunderland. I've always like them, they're a good club with strong working class roots and an extremely large and good fanbase. Outside the local Police who are twats (and it seems to be a syndrome that infects the entire North East), don't think I have a bad word to say about them. Along with West Ham they're one of my favourite non-City clubs because they remind me of us a bit in terms of who we are and where we've been.

But in my opinion you've made a terrible blunder recently. The squad is just not there which is a whole different topic but the decision to reappoint Advocaat is something that was based in sentimentality rather than logic. He saved you and cried on the pitch, he obviously cared and the thinking was how he could translate that into the players caring. But whether he cared or not he was a bad manager for you last year and even worse now this year where I think he's probably waiting until a suitably unembarrassing time to resign. There's no energy or passion there now the imminent threat of relegation isn't looming over his head and the players all seem to know it's a 3 day working week if you know what I mean.

I don't really know who your next manager should be. But I do know that you need to get proper transfer spending instead of buying rejected drek. It's the problem I think Stoke have and I picked them to go down too. You've bought players who are supposed to be good rather than players who are actually good and there's no cohesion in the squad in terms of the way you're supposed to be playing. As old fashioned as this sounds, getting a younger manager in who wants to play a pacey attacking 4-4-2 with wingers might actually be the best bet for you. You don't have the squad for the possession game nor the strikers for a counter attacking game. In fact you should probably sell every striker you have then pool that money to buy two decent ones because on the face of it that's the most disappointing part of the squad in terms of lack of real quality where you need it. Unfortunately I can see you buying Harry Kane in 3-4 years when he's never become the player he was supposed to be but still has enough of a reputation as a young talented player.

You need changes all over the place in my opinion. On the pitch, in the dugout and in the boardroom. Patrick Vieira given 5 years might be a good type of manager for you and bring a bit more energy and freshness to the team.

 

[Damocles]

Agree with some of this, but it's a hugely difficult situation mate, if we were to play youth, and we went out, Pellegrini would be blasted either for that, the lineup was strong, but I think Aguero needed the game time, as did De Bruyne. Navas will likely be a squad player when Silva is fit.

Exactly, he's a coward. If we go out with a strongest possible team then it's the team's fault but if we go out with the strongest team and 4 youth players then it's the manager's fault. People here have bought into the totally false narrative that our young players would significantly increase the chance of us losing. That's rubbish. I'd have Barker in front of Navas every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I'd have every single player in the entire world, fictional or non-fictional, no matter what the age or current living status in front of Fernando who I think is absolutely bobbins.

Aguero needs less game time and not more. He needs consistently playing in the Premier League, not in a League Cup game. And we wonder why he's constantly injured now? I have no idea why De Bruyne needed game time as he's had a full pre-season and played games at Wolfsburg before coming here then has been on the bench or on the pitch for every eligible game.

 

[tangaroa]

Anyone have a link to an HD download of the game? The League Cup is the only competition not broadcast in Thailand. PM's are fine :-)

 

[Shirley]

Pathetic and cowardly lineup from the manager saved by the ineptitude of Sunderland. Took him around 30 minutes of us being 4-0 up in a League Cup game to bring on any youth players which speaks to his overwhelming failure to utilize what is probably the most talented and stocked youth setup in the country.

Absolutely pathetic, will be glad to see the back of him.

Perhaps you need to remind yourself who our owners are and what their goals are. The next manager will have the same pressure, 5 trophies in 5 years.

 

[i8rags]

No, it's not the main thing. Nobody gives a shit about the League Cup and in fact it's a massive detriment that heavily impacts on the rest come January when you're playing two leg semis at Wembley, presumably still in the FA Cup and the league games. In 13/14 when we went to the semis we killed our squad by overplaying them in December/January, we had 17 games in 2 months and by the time early February game around and it was time to face a just winter breaked Barcelona we were dead on our feet. This is why outright Pellegrini will never win the Champions League because his idea of squad management is playing your best team in every game which batters our squad. Playing Sergio against Juventus, West Ham and in a fucking League Cup game when he's obviously unfit is yet another blunder in this department. No different from how he played Negredo in a League Cup game when were were 6-0 who then picked up a shoulder injury and never recovered his form. It's also why he did well at clubs like Villareal and Malaga who didn't have these fixtures to juggle.

But that's irregardless to the actual point. The actual point is that we're already starting to lose highly talented players because they can't even get a game during the League cup against Championship opposition. Sunderland are soon to be Championship opposition and we gave a £8m signing a debut who has already played numerous competitive league games, played Manu Garcia for 20 minutes then gave George Evans 3 minutes espite the game being won with 60 minutes to go. This is now the 8th consecutive year that we have failed to bring through any youth players into the squad so far. 8 years. Not one player.

We are the only team in the Champions League with 0 homegrown players, meaning we have an actual squad of 21 players unlike the 25 others have which again leads into the other problems

This is a pointless argument on here and I've been having it for years because people have no idea how good our youth players are. Unlike Nacho comes on and scores immediately and now gets posts saying he should play. Obviously he must have taken a major jump in talent in that last two weeks. People on here can't see the wood from the trees, so utterly petrified are they of our youth players that they automatically think that we'll get beat if we play them. Maffeo could walk into most Premier League sides tomorrow. He'd be the best player in any Championship side. Denayer is even better than that and is currently standing out at yet another Champions League club (after previously standing out at a different Champions League club) after we promised him first team football to get him to sign a contract then spunked £30m on a new centre back and fucked him off elsewhere. Think he's happy now? Think he's here for the long term?

I said two years ago that if you couldn't see that this was a developing problem you just weren't paying attention. Now we have 0 homegrown players, constantly knocked out of the February CL game, haven't integrated a new young player into the squad in 8 years and are pissing off most of the youth players who stand a chance to gain actual first team footballer here. If you still can't see it's a problem then it's wilful stupidity.

I personally couldn't care a hoot about the youth other than if their good enough they will come through, can you honestly name one player that's left and gone to dominate in a side of equal ability to city. It's a big ask to break into the side ahead of vinny, yaya, Sergio, silva, etc. So if their not good enough then they ain't worth playing at Sunderland, massive bonus again last night that kdb, Aguero, sterling, all got goals and hopefully should carry momentum into Spurs.
As for not giving a fuck about the competition, I for one defo want to win it. I will never turn down a trophy for the chance to see if any of the young uns are possibly good enough.

 

[donachie&chadvalleybigleague]

I personally couldn't care a hoot about the youth other than if their good enough they will come through, can you honestly name one player that's left and gone to dominate in a side of equal ability to city. It's a big ask to break into the side ahead of vinny, yaya, Sergio, silva, etc. So if their not good enough then they ain't worth playing at Sunderland, massive bonus again last night that kdb, Aguero, sterling, all got goals and hopefully should carry momentum into Spurs.
As for not giving a fuck about the competition, I for one defo want to win it. I will never turn down a trophy for the chance to see if any of the young uns are possibly good enough.

+1

 

[Damocles]

Perhaps you need to remind yourself who our owners are and what their goals are. The next manager will have the same pressure, 5 trophies in 5 years.

Perhaps YOU need to remind yourself who our owners are and why they've just spent £200 million quid building that big Academy complex next to the stadium?

I personally couldn't care a hoot about the youth other than if their good enough they will come through, can you honestly name one player that's left and gone to dominate in a side of equal ability to city

That's backwards thinking. We're stunting their development by not giving them game time then saying "ha look, they went to a lesser club than City, they must not have been good enough". No, they went to a lesser club than City BECAUSE they got no game time here.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Exactly, he's a coward. If we go out with a strongest possible team then it's the team's fault but if we go out with the strongest team and 4 youth players then it's the manager's fault. People here have bought into the totally false narrative that our young players would significantly increase the chance of us losing. That's rubbish. I'd have Barker in front of Navas every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I'd have every single player in the entire world, fictional or non-fictional, no matter what the age or current living status in front of Fernando who I think is absolutely bobbins.

Aguero needs less game time and not more. He needs consistently playing in the Premier League, not in a League Cup game. And we wonder why he's constantly injured now? I have no idea why De Bruyne needed game time as he's had a full pre-season and played games at Wolfsburg before coming here then has been on the bench or on the pitch for every eligible game.

Had me going for a second or two.

 

[Marvin]

Exactly, he's a coward. If we go out with a strongest possible team then it's the team's fault but if we go out with the strongest team and 4 youth players then it's the manager's fault. People here have bought into the totally false narrative that our young players would significantly increase the chance of us losing. That's rubbish. I'd have Barker in front of Navas every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I'd have every single player in the entire world, fictional or non-fictional, no matter what the age or current living status in front of Fernando who I think is absolutely bobbins.

Aguero needs less game time and not more. He needs consistently playing in the Premier League, not in a League Cup game. And we wonder why he's constantly injured now? I have no idea why De Bruyne needed game time as he's had a full pre-season and played games at Wolfsburg before coming here then has been on the bench or on the pitch for every eligible game.

De Bruyne needs games not to get fit, but to adapt to the league, and his team mates. Just because he's started very well does not mean he wont get even better as he adapts to the English game and his new team mates. Training will help. Games are better.

As for Aguero, you know Bony and Nacho were unavailable?

I want to win the League Cup. I am glad the manager and players took it seriously.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

the only thing i could question about pellegrini last night is that he waited too long to bring the kids on, arguably they should have been all on by the hour mark at the latest

He picked the right starting 11 but agree changes at half time or 60 mins keeping the last change to 80 mins in case of injuries

@Damocles I give a shit about this cup and I'm sure many do.

 

[i8rags]

Perhaps YOU need to remind yourself who our owners are and why they've just spent £200 million quid building that big Academy complex next to the stadium?



That's backwards thinking. We're stunting their development by not giving them game time then saying "ha look, they went to a lesser club than City, they must not have been good enough". No, they went to a lesser club than City BECAUSE they got no game time here.

Many go on loan to other clubs and hardly progress, some even go backwards, denayer progressed in a shite league but doesn't look anywhere near playing in our back four just yet. It's sentimental to wish for youth to break through but I also buzz off a new signing that develops into world class just as much.