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Sunderland Vs City Post Match Thread
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Many go on loan to other clubs and hardly progress, some even go backwards, denayer progressed in a shite league but doesn't look anywhere near playing in our back four just yet. It's sentimental to wish for youth to break through but I also buzz off a new signing that develops into world class just as much.
So what you're saying is that sending players out to shite leagues makes them stagnate or "go backwards" (though I cannot think of a single person this has happened to within my memory), so what we should do is not play them ourselves and.....what?
You don't want us to play them and you don't want other teams to play them.
Denayer can not only slot straight into our back four right now but if he came through somebody else's youth system the imbeciles on here would think we should pay £30m for him.
As for Aguero, you know Bony and Nacho were unavailable?
Do you know that we have more than 3 registered attackers at the club?
I want to win the League Cup. I am glad the manager and players took it seriously.
I want to win the Champions League. No club in history has won the CL and League Cup together.
steviemc
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Nobody gives a shit about the League Cup and in fact it's a massive detriment that heavily impacts on the rest come January when you're playing two leg semis at Wembley, presumably still in the FA Cup and the league games.
That's bollocks. You mean you and some others don't. So what, plenty of us do and we can speak for ourselves thanks.
I was 7 when we won it in '76 and it's the last trophy I remember before a very long period of decline. Something which I'll remember for a long time.
GaudinoMotors
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Wow Damo
You clearly feel strongly about this.
I thought the Manager did the right thing last night - perhaps he could have introduced youth a little earlier but it was important to get back on track.
To be completely honest I've not seen a consistent and sustained high level in the EDS yet to merit the confidence being shown by many about the youth players, but that's debatable and I suppose a chicken and egg argument.
You clearly feel strongly about this.
I thought the Manager did the right thing last night - perhaps he could have introduced youth a little earlier but it was important to get back on track.
To be completely honest I've not seen a consistent and sustained high level in the EDS yet to merit the confidence being shown by many about the youth players, but that's debatable and I suppose a chicken and egg argument.
That's bollocks. You mean you and some others don't. So what, plenty of us do and we can speak for ourselves thanks.
I was 7 when we won it in '76 and it's the last trophy I remember before a very long period of decline. Something which I'll remember for a long time.
Are you 7 now? Is it still 1976?
Or are we playing in Germany next week to attempt to win the European Cup?
i8rags
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Sorry mate maybe my point wasn't clear, I mean despite getting game time elsewhere many don't develop as hoped. I've watched denayer for example play approx 15 times and I reckon he's ok, nowhere near good enough just yet, but maybe after this current loan he may return ready but I doubt it.So what you're saying is that sending players out to shite leagues makes them stagnate or "go backwards" (though I cannot think of a single person this has happened to within my memory), so what we should do is not play them ourselves and.....what?
You don't want us to play them and you don't want other teams to play them.
Denayer can not only slot straight into our back four right now but if he came through somebody else's youth system the imbeciles on here would think we should pay £30m for him.
If we progress further on the pitch in chumps league then he will slip even further down the pecking order, I'm not trying to tell you your wrong or I don't value your opinion, I'm just giving mine. I've had a season ticket 37 years and can honestly say the real quality is bought and not brought through.
steviemc
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You're sounding exactly like the shitheads across the way. Won't be long before you stop watching at half time if we're already winning eh?Are you 7 now? Is it still 1976?
Or are we playing in Germany next week to attempt to win the European Cup?
To be completely honest I've not seen a consistent and sustained high level in the EDS yet to merit the confidence being shown by many about the youth players, but that's debatable and I suppose a chicken and egg argument.
How often do you watch the EDS?
I don't know a single person who consistently watches them who doesn't think that a few of them would walk straight into our squad. It's incomprehensible that Maffeo is still waiting for his debut for example, when we have a single senior right back fit. We killed Zabaleta's form by playing him every game despite Sagna being a capable deputy. Now with Zab out we're playing Sagna every single game aswell.
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bluemc1
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MP got lucky last, clearly not interested in this cup and we could have been 4 down if it wasn't for a dodgy penalty and a own goal, No Joe Hart in an away game v PL opposition and if Silva is going to be fit for spurs don't tell me he couldn't have got out on the pitch last night
Pablo ZZZ Peroni
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Serious question - is this not an example of Dunning Kruger (excellent bost by the way) or, if not, why not? You post some brilliant stuff on here and often I applaud your arguments but I have difficulty reconciling your posts here.
Exactly, he's a coward. If we go out with a strongest possible team then it's the team's fault but if we go out with the strongest team and 4 youth players then it's the manager's fault. People here have bought into the totally false narrative that our young players would significantly increase the chance of us losing. That's rubbish. I'd have Barker in front of Navas every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I'd have every single player in the entire world, fictional or non-fictional, no matter what the age or current living status in front of Fernando who I think is absolutely bobbins.
Aguero needs less game time and not more. He needs consistently playing in the Premier League, not in a League Cup game. And we wonder why he's constantly injured now? I have no idea why De Bruyne needed game time as he's had a full pre-season and played games at Wolfsburg before coming here then has been on the bench or on the pitch for every eligible game.
Serious question - is this not an example of Dunning Kruger (excellent bost by the way) or, if not, why not? You post some brilliant stuff on here and often I applaud your arguments but I have difficulty reconciling your posts here.
You're sounding exactly like the shitheads across the way. Won't be long before you stop watching at half time if we're already winning eh?
No, they over there actually play their youth and are ridiculously shitting themselves that bringing on a few kids to see what they're made of won't immediately see them relegated, lose all the games and have the owners pack up. Some of you lot seem to have PTSD from a decade ago and it has affected your rationality.
donachie&chadvalleybigleague
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We do develop youth. If they reach our standard they'll play for us. Otherwise they go elsewhere. They'll have had a good experience with us and will go on to appropriate opportunities elsewhere if they don't make it with us. No room for sentiment.
had it been a home game, then maybe he would have played.How often do you watch the EDS?
I don't know a single person who consistently watches them who doesn't think that a few of them would walk straight into our squad. It's incomprehensible that Maffeo is still waiting for his debut for example, when we have a single senior right back fit. We killed Zabaleta's form by playing him every game despite Sagna being a capable deputy. Now with Zab out we're playing Sagna every single game aswell.
Winning a game, and then introducing young players off the bench is a good way of bringing players through. In hindsight maybe Pellegrini could have started one of them, but that game had Cup upset written all over it
Serious question - is this not an example of Dunning Kruger (excellent bost by the way) or, if not, why not? You post some brilliant stuff on here and often I applaud your arguments but I have difficulty reconciling your posts here.
Because this isn't one game. It's a consistent trend across 8 years where we have consistently failed to do something. The Dunning Kruger post was about hindsight and the discussion of tactics and how it could affect causality. This is about an overarching problem with how we approach bringing players through our youth system that has spanned near a decade. Many people misunderstood that as "well it's impossible to have an informed opinion on anything", of course it isn't. It isn't impossible to see that Sergio Aguero is our best striker because he has a record that can be referenced in comparison across many datapoints. It's impossible to say that Aguero would have been a better striker for a specific game than Bony because you're not working off of any data points alone in context of a single game.
Essentially, if you don't have any data to work from then it applies but if you do have data to work from that spans what is a relatively long period of time then you can form judgements based upon that. It's not necessarily correct, but you can at least have an actual opinion that is backed up.
Yet we managed to win 4-1 without risking further injury to Silva, giving him some much needed recuperation and all told we should have scored 7/8. Hart was never going to be involved in this game.MP got lucky last, clearly not interested in this cup and we could have been 4 down if it wasn't for a dodgy penalty and a own goal, No Joe Hart in an away game v PL opposition and if Silva is going to be fit for spurs don't tell me he couldn't have got out on the pitch last night
Your definition of lucky is flawed.
Manager's first priority is bringing trophies back to City. That's why we spent £150m in the Summer.No, they over there actually play their youth and are ridiculously shitting themselves that bringing on a few kids to see what they're made of won't immediately see them relegated, lose all the games and have the owners pack up. Some of you lot seem to have PTSD from a decade ago and it has affected your rationality.
You seem to have forgotten that 3 young players got game time.
had it been a home game, then maybe he would have played.
He's never played them in any game, home or away, despite the competition. Lopes got one game and a sub appearance then nothing for two years. Pozo got one game and a sub appearance then nothing since then.
GaudinoMotors
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I watch them a few times - but try to watch it in perspective. For example
If you watch 2 elite junior tennis players against each other they look incredible, watch them against a tour pro and it's a often a different story.
I'll give you the fact that you don't know for sure until you try them, and there is promise in that EDS.
If you watch 2 elite junior tennis players against each other they look incredible, watch them against a tour pro and it's a often a different story.
I'll give you the fact that you don't know for sure until you try them, and there is promise in that EDS.