Luke Brattan: Who ??

[west didsblue]

Not your friend. And believe me, there are no delusions of grandeur on my part.

Are you advocating that the supporters have even less say so than they do at present?

You want less transparency?

My only advocation is that I don't want a single penny of the money I give to MCFC, to support my local club, to be used for the betterment of some tinpot club on the other side of the globe rather than MCFC - especially without my knowledge.

Quite straightforward.

You don't "give" a penny to MCFC. You pay to have access to the stadium to watch them. You have absolutely no right to be consulted on what they spend that money on unless you're a shareholder which you're not. If you've got a problem with it, don't buy a ticket.

 

[markbmcfc]

Not your friend. And believe me, there are no delusions of grandeur on my part.

Are you advocating that the supporters have even less say so than they do at present?

You want less transparency?

My only advocation is that I don't want a single penny of the money I give to MCFC, to support my local club, to be used for the betterment of some tinpot club on the other side of the globe rather than MCFC - especially without my knowledge.

Quite straightforward.

I thought you were wumming at first but i'm starting to think you actually believe what you're saying.

I would say after someone has put a billion quid into the club and turned it from ash into the club it is today, fans have less than fuck all say on the financial running of the club.

We, as fans, support the team. The on field perfomance and results. We all have an interest in the running of the club, the financial side, infrastructure, all of it. You've paid your season ticket to watch a squad of players play football, which is completely your choice may I add, and not to have influence or approval over the financial operation of the club. You're not on the board and you're not a major shareholder, unless i'm mistaken.

Now unless when you bought your season ticket you felt it gave you an input at the AGM, i'm baffled as to why you think your money, spent on watching a team play football, has given you a sense of entitlement to decision making at the top level.

 

[Yates]

I think next summer will give us our answer as to why this signing was made. Anyway good luck to him!

 

[DannyBoy2890]

Tin pots and a season ticket holders money apparently

Haha preposterous.
I'll be honest, I've never seen or even heard of him.
Just done a brief search on the web and he sounds like a decent player.
Doubtful he'll make it straight away (if at all?) with us and consolidate a regular first team spot, but if he has a decent spell at bolton he could either come back to us after a month of impressing at Bolton, break into our squad, or be sold on to Bolton or another championship/ premier league club in the summer?

The way I see it, we've acquired what sounds like a good player, we either get a new squad player that can improve us and give us another option, or we sell him in the future and make a profit on him.
It's a win win situation.

 

[frasermcfc]

Some of the replies in here are really confusing.

My understanding of this:
We've picked up a player as a free agent, after his contract ended with Brisbane Roar?
And we've loaned him straight out to Bolton?

Is that correct?

If that's right, what's the the problem?

Somebody on here reckons he bought shares in the club with his ticket money and he's not happy about the running of the club.

 

[schfc6]

Not that this seems to have anything to do with CFG, a free transfer from Brisbane loaned to Bolton. As we couldn't register him now regardless, it seems to make perfect sense.

As for your rather odd obsession with the "tin pot" clubs in the CFG, you show limited or no understanding of what the CFG is all about.

In basic terms, the CFG is a global 'brand'. As much as I long for the good old days, the CFG will prove to be financially very beneficial for us. Having "tin pot" clubs affiliated to MANCHESTER City in the leading emerging markets throughout the World may just be a good thing. Do you not agree?

There will be more clubs acquired, my money is on China next, perhaps the Indian Premier league.

You seem concerned that your pie and pint money is somehow being used to finance David Villa's Manhatten apartment, I'll tell you for free it's not.

NYCFC has already provided an invaluable opportunity for Facey and Angelino, and in the future I'm sure that Cities like Yokahama, NYC and Melbourne will allow great opportunities and experiences for our youth and also a great option for the likes of Ya Ya to finish their careers whilst continuing to raise the profile of Manchester City.
Not to mention the head start the added bonus of having clubs in non eu countries allowing us to to potentially identify the next Japanese/American/Austrailian star and have him signed up before anyone else can.

As I say, China, Middle East/North Africa & West Africa are no doubt potential targets for new clubs and a wealth of potential future stars, fans and the very gross word, consumers..

But as others have pointed out, I'm sure Shiekh Mansour and Mubarak know what they're doing.

With regards this particular kid, surely even you can see its a no brainer, no fee & low wages. He only has to be semi decent at Bolton and he'll be worth and a few million, so win win all around.

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

 

[citizen_maine]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

i notice that you've deliberately avoided the simple question of why you think we're subsidising this transfer for another club

 

[Utter bobbins]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

Have you contacted the club for their explanation on your assumptions

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

I assume you're privy to all our financial outgoings etc to be absolutely certain that we are spending money on this player?

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

In basic terms, the CFG is a global 'brand'. As much as I long for the good old days, the CFG will prove to be financially very beneficial for us. Having "tin pot" clubs affiliated to MANCHESTER City in the leading emerging markets throughout the World may just be a good thing. Do you not agree?

The CFG will not prove financially beneficial to us if we cannot include any potential income from the CFG towards FFP calculations.

In which case CFG will just be a drain to club resources which could be used to offset FFP.

 

[west didsblue]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

Dortmund is part owned by the fans. City isn't. That makes a difference.

 

[schfc6]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

Wow, you are one deluded fellow. I think the issue other fans are having here, you are talking utter bollocks.

We have signed a free agent from a club 4 hours flight away from 'tin pot' Melbourne City. And loaned him to Bolton.

If Shiekh Mansour and the rest of ADUG see the CFG as a huge weapon in the battle for global revenues.

I'm sure a match going BVB fan would be delighted if the clubs owners were continually increasing revenues to unprecedented levels.

I don't think you understand what is going on here.

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

Wow, you are one deluded fellow. I think the issue other fans are having here, you are talking utter bollocks.

We have signed a free agent from a club 4 hours flight away from 'tin pot' Melbourne City. And loaned him to Bolton.

If Shiekh Mansour and the rest of ADUG see the CFG as a huge weapon in the battle for global revenues.

I'm sure a match going BVB fan would be delighted if the clubs owners were continually increasing revenues to unprecedented levels.

I don't think you understand what is going on here.

I don't think you even understand the fundamental point.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't think you even understand the fundamental point.

Your fundamental point is that you believe you should have a say in how the club is run just because you've bought something from them.

It's nonsense and you're an idiot.

 

[schfc6]

The CFG will not prove financially beneficial to us if we cannot include any potential income from the CFG towards FFP calculations.

In which case CFG will just be a drain to club resources which could be used to offset FFP.

So that confirms it, you simply don't understand it. The CFG is beyond your comprehension. You don't think having successful sides affiliated to City in other markets will be financially beneficial? Do you think United have the highest revenues because they sell the most chicken balti pies each week? Or do you think they have the highest revenues because they have a huge global fan base? A global fan base that allows them to sell their tat all over the world. Why do you think United can sell sponsorship for so much money? Chevrolet don't sell to the UK market yet pay United a ridiculous amount of money to have their name on their shirt.
Why? Because of a huge global fan base.

The sole purpose of CFG is to raise our global profile, that's how it benefits us.

It's honestly so simple.

 

[Yates]

Speaking of the CFG, who's the South American side that's being looked at? I'm sure I read that the young lad Vitinho who was on trial recently was the beginning of a partnership with that club and I think it was Corinthians?

 

[Rolee]

The CFG will not prove financially beneficial to us if we cannot include any potential income from the CFG towards FFP calculations.

In which case CFG will just be a drain to club resources which could be used to offset FFP.

Do we not benefit financially from commercial deals signed by CFG?

 

[markbmcfc]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.

Taking the counter arguments to their logical conclusion, that as supporters we have no say whatsoever in the way the club is ran: would you be of the same opinion if we were owned by the Glazer's? Gillette and Hicks?

What if we were still owned by Thaksin and part of the club's income was being used to fund political parties in Thailand for example?

You'd have no complaint?

We're only supporters, we have no right to an input on how the club's income is spent, anything else is entitlement?

Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm happy with our ownership of course, but this is an utterly absurd mindset. Far and away detached from what it truly represents to be a core supporter of your local club, or should do, IMO.

I'd love to see the reactions of a match going Dortmund fan to another football supporter advocating this policy of supporters being effectively nothing more than customers for a multinational corporation.

Final point on this because we're never going to agree.

HH Sheikh Mansour owns the club. He's invested untold amounts of money into the club and it's his right as owner, to make the decisions for the club. He employees specialists in their fields to undertake the day to day operation of each department of the club, from the CEO, to the 1st Team Manager, to the head of the IT department. We, as fans, choose, as a hobby, to watch the team and we pay our hard earned to do so. That's it. Period. The people in charge of every other department report to their superiors until finally, it gets to the owner of the club. We have zero influence in any of that and that's how it should be. Our Season Ticket money does not give us entitlement to decide on the correct course of action of the business side of the club. It does, however, give us the entitlement to discuss who we feel should start against Palace.

On the issue at hand. You have absolutely no idea the structure of this particular deal, the motivations behind it for City, any of the CFA, Bolton, the player himself. People are employed by the club to make those decisions based on immensely more in depth knowledge and experience of running a football club.

For you to sit here and complain about your season ticket money being used to fund something you have absolutely no knowledge of apart from what you've read on the Internet is absolute beggar's belief.

Read our financial accounts from 2006/2007. Then read 2014/15. Then take your head for a shake and re-think your position on this.

 

[schfc6]

I don't think you even understand the fundamental point.

So you don't agree with CFG, that's fine. It's wrong in my opinion, but if you don't see the benefits of expending our global consumers then that's up to you. I see no problem with trying to raise our global profile.

Your point about consumers having a say in how their money is reinvested is as stupid as your issue with expanding our global consumers.

As a paying customer you have no say in how your pie & pint money is spent. You can either like it, or not pay your money, simple.

As a movie goer, you don't get to pick the star or offer an alternative ending. You can't ask walkers crisps to put more cheese in the cheese and onion. You can go and buy or not, that's your choice.

Your arguement is totally laughable and seriously flawed.