Attacks in Paris

Religions are a way of life, all the books have violent shit in them was it was very fucking violent back in the day.

I think if the media internationally referred to them as just terrorists and cowards instead it would go along way.

It's not hard to grasp, ISIS are just retarded shitbags who brainwash sad cunts to do work they haven't got the balls to do it themselves.

Intelligence services need to start looking where the money is coming from and deal with it.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
There is a lot of funding believed to be coming from Qatar and Saudi Arabia our two biggest allies (pretty much) in the region. Wealthy individuals who support the west to protect their wealth and then donate to ISIS as insurance for their souls. Just Like the Bin Laden family . Yes there is oil sold but they were well funded before they had the oil
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Wouldn't surprise me. Saudi Arabia is a very questionable state who we have no problem getting into bed with trade wise. Amazing what oil and money can do to relations. Turning a blind eye when it suits seems to be the name of the game.
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
It was an actual example of a guy with a LOT of followers basically giving the UK and it's western 'inclusive' culture the finger.

What's your picture of Eutopia mate?
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Does he have a lot of followers? What are you basing that on? You did it to insinuate that was a common view held by many muslims when clearly it isn't.

Utopia doesn't and probably will never exist as unfortunately its a human trait that you will get the odd few mental cases trying to destabliise things in various different names. It doesn't mean that we should run scared and try and create divisions that don't need to be there, like I imagine you want.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
I get mathematical probability mate.

But besides the fact that you're ignoring all the attacks foiled, what of all the repercussions that our society suffers as a consequence of this threat, and government attempts to address it, that can't be measured in numbers of deaths or a risk of fatality from a terrorist attack on a day to day basis?

The very fear of the threat is a consequence that cannot be overlooked either. Hence 'terrorism'.

We live in a security obsessed country now, and that's because of said threat.

It is changing our way of life.
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You said it affects your way of life.

How have increased security measures or electronic snooping affected you? Honest question as I can't think of any ways.

And are you genuinely fearful of terrorist attacks now? Any more than you have ever been? The north west and certainly Manchester is no stranger to terrorist attacks in the past.

I don't let terrorists claim ownership of my thoughts or fears ever. That's not because I think I'm triple hard. It's because I have a far greater chance of drowning in my own bath or slipping and falling in my shower.
 
SWP's back said:
You said it affects your way of life.

How have increased security measures or electronic snooping affected you? Honest question as I can't think of any ways.

And are you genuinely fearful of terrorist attacks now? Any more than you have ever been? The north west and certainly Manchester is no stranger to terrorist attacks in the past.

I don't let terrorists claim ownership of my thoughts or fears ever. That's not because I think I'm triple hard. It's because I have a far greater chance of drowning in my own bath or slipping and falling in my shower.
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No I didn't. I said they pose a threat to our way of life.

One example:

RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Just to illustrate how much this ideology and terrorism is effecting our societies. Look at the response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre.

The debate about our very right to free speech and freedom of the press was quickly hijacked and became a discussion on sensitivity towards Islam and the right of Muslims not to be offended.

French satirical cartoonists were murdered because they drew a cartoon. That should've been the end of the moral analysis.

Instead, it became yet another discussion about how terribly discriminatory our society is, again, how it is our society that is more or less at fault. How the cartoons were 'provocative'.

None of the British newspapers ran with the satirical cover cartoon of Muhammad to show solidarity. Sky News even cut a French journalist live off air when she held aloft the cover of Charlie Hedbo when she was discussing the attacks.

Our society's response was one of great grief and horror at the attacks, but an unwillingness to stand up for the very freedoms we hold dear.

Instead, the right not to be offended won out, as did the fear of violence. Violent religious bigots sought to impose their religious blasphemy laws over our liberty valuing free societies, and we more or less gave them what they wanted out of cowardice.

I repeat: this ideology poses a threat to our way of life.
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I take your point by the way, you're just arguing against a point I haven't made.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Wouldn't surprise me. Saudi Arabia is a very questionable state who we have no problem getting into bed with trade wise. Amazing what oil and money can do to relations. Turning a blind eye when it suits seems to be the name of the game.
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These are the very hard problems we have to deal with if we want to dissolve this evil. The problem is every time we get involved to remove an evil regime we end up with a worse one. Be fucked if I know the answer, our biggest friends in the area fund our greatest enemies. Our greatest enemies often repressed the extremists and money and oil seem to excuse all ills. The whole thing is fucked and it is going to take a very very long time and a shit old of hard work, money and force to deal with it.

We will defeat ISIS soon enough as we did Al Qaeda but what comes next?
 
BimboBob said:
Religion and religious types have, throughout the centuries, killed and maimed for their God(s). It will never stop.

My thoughts are with the families/ friends.
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The best post on here! It's true that is who we should be thinking about today.
 
We're safe. Thanks for the messages. A friend was at the gig he took a bullet in the leg and got out. Others we don't have news from as of yet. Venturing out now. Bataclan, Petit Camboj, Rue Charonne, all local to me and places we go to almost weekly.
 
morleyswife said:
Let's stop calling it IS or ISIS. It's "Islamic State"

They want a country (state)

The unfortunate thing is the many many decent Muslims who will be tarred with the same brush.
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There was a programme on radio4 not so long ago and there were Girls fom allover the world with the name Isil and they regularly get abuse because of the term and the link to terrorists...just saying.
 
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softlad said:
Does he have a lot of followers? What are you basing that on? You did it to insinuate that was a common view held by many muslims when clearly it isn't.

Utopia doesn't and probably will never exist as unfortunately its a human trait that you will get the odd few mental cases trying to destabliise things in various different names. It doesn't mean that we should run scared and try and create divisions that don't need to be there, like I imagine you want.
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Divisions that don't need to be there - could not agree more softlad.

The trouble is there ARE many divisions aren't there? Many created by peaceful muslim communities. Have you been to Oldham recently? Who exactly created that division because I certainly didn't.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
These are the very hard problems we have to deal with if we want to dissolve this evil. The problem is every time we get involved to remove an evil regime we end up with a worse one. Be fucked if I know the answer, our biggest friends in the area fund our greatest enemies. Our greatest enemies often repressed the extremists and money and oil seem to excuse all ills. The whole thing is fucked and it is going to take a very very long time and a shit old of hard work, money and force to deal with it.

We will defeat ISIS soon enough as we did Al Qaeda but what comes next?
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True. It's a shitty world we live in sadly.
 
Scottyboi said:
Religions are a way of life, all the books have violent shit in them was it was very fucking violent back in the day.

I think if the media internationally referred to them as just terrorists and cowards instead it would go along way.

It's not hard to grasp, ISIS are just retarded shitbags who brainwash sad cunts to do work they haven't got the balls to do it themselves.

Intelligence services need to start looking where the money is coming from and deal with it.
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dont disagree with any of that. The trouble is they know where he money comes from and it comes from our closest allies in the Middle East which is why the finding keeps coming.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
There is a lot of funding believed to be coming from Qatar and Saudi Arabia our two biggest allies (pretty much) in the region. Wealthy individuals who support the west to protect their wealth and then donate to ISIS as insurance for their souls. Just Like the Bin Laden family . Yes there is oil sold but they were well funded before they had the oil
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It's crazy that individuals in Qatar are putting money in considering Isis would love to go on the rampage there with the westernised way the country is going.

The Arabian gulf is a conundrum no one can solve and has probably been a battle ground since the origins of man. You can't bomb an ideal out of someone, keeping Saddam where he was would have kept a lid on it. But would he have still been trying to destabilise the region by threatening to invade Kuwait and gassing the Kurds ?
 
French president "an act of war" Against who?

They are not a country. And they don't wear hats with "Islamic State"
 
The sooner we ban religion the better it will be...it will never happen as it is a perfect divide and rule technique, the best there has ever been infact...when we get disclosure and the people are told the truth about other worlds/ETs and visitations dating back to day dot then and only then will religion be put to bed. They will never disclose and as a consequence religion will serve its purpose from when it was invented to do what it set out to do...Divide and Rule.
 
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feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It's crazy that individuals in Qatar are putting money in considering Isis would love to go on the rampage there with the westernised way the country is going.

The Arabian gulf is a conundrum no one can solve and has probably been a battle ground since the origins of man. You can't bomb an ideal out of someone, keeping Saddam where he was would have kept a lid on it. But would he have still been trying to destabilise the region by threatening to invade Kuwait and gassing the Kurds ?
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Ironically exactly why Obama made making the US energy independent his number one strategic priority and why the US's biggest ally Saudi Arabia has spent two years trying to drive down the oil price to make shale oil uneconomical. Who suffered the most? Probably Russia who then millitarised to puff their chests. It will always go on and on and you remove an evil and an evil replaces it
 
Meant to be taking my little nephew to the Christmas markets today, not going now because he's crying saying that he "doesn't want to die". How sad is that
 
If the muslims were peaceful in their majority , then surley they should unite to condemn any acts of terrorism and work with all the other communities to alienate and identify the culprits. Sadly this does not happen and they are eventually going to experience a backlash for their silence.
 
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