Attacks in Paris

IanBishopsHaircut said:
From several centuries ago..still being practiced to the letter today in a host of countries

Are you seriously defending sharia law now?

I mean seriously?
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No. I'm not. If you read my posts you'd realise that. I'm saying it's absolutely fucking stupid to blame a religion of more than a billion people entirely for the actions of a few psychopaths.

I'll ask the question again and answer it this time, do you think that the current members of ISIS would be model citizens if Islam didn't exist?
 
Just saw the open letter on BBC news from the French guy who lost his wife on Friday night. His comments say it all. What a fantastic man
 
aguero93:20 said:
No. I'm not. If you read my posts you'd realise that. I'm saying it's absolutely fucking stupid to blame a religion of more than a billion people entirely for the actions of a few psychopaths.

I'll ask the question again and answer it this time, do you think that the current members of ISIS would be model citizens if Islam didn't exist?
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Are you really entirely dismissing the clear and obvious religious foundations of this particular violence?

Muddy the waters, obfuscate, and gloss over uncomfortable truths. You're textbook mate.
 
aguero93:20 said:
No. I'm not. If you read my posts you'd realise that. I'm saying it's absolutely fucking stupid to blame a religion of more than a billion people entirely for the actions of a few psychopaths.

I'll ask the question again and answer it this time, do you think that the current members of ISIS would be model citizens if Islam didn't exist?
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What a stupid question..who knows how their lives would turn out without religion..I know one thing though..they wouldn't be blowing themselves up just being disenfranchised youth..

Would they fuck
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
In the case of being specifically motivated by their faith to said violence (which is what I'm talking about)?

Yes.

The only way you could suggest otherwise is if you include all state decisions led by secular Western governments that lead to war/deaths as acts taken in the name of/motivated directly by Christianity. Which would be absurd.

But that seems to be what you're doing. Staggeringly so.

Muslims not killing in the name of Islam/motivated by their religious beliefs to violence, aren't in the equation either.

In other words, if Jordan went to war with Kuwait due to a political dispute over oil for example, Islam wouldn't be culpable. Hope this helps.
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It would have done if i had phrased the question
"You seriously think Muslims in the name of Islam have killed more people than Christians in the name of Christianity in the last thirty or forty years.?"
but i did not i asked
"You seriously think Muslims in the name of Islam have killed more people than Christians in the last thirty or forty years.?"

It is a small but crucial difference in which i wanted to highlight the fact that the US and other Christian countries get a far easier ride than Muslims.
ISIS as repeatedly said do not represent the bulk of Muslims who have different Islamic faiths.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Are you really entirely dismissing the clear and obvious religious foundations of this particular violence?

Muddy the waters, obfuscate, and gloss over uncomfortable truths. You're textbook mate.
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The foundations are based in human nature and not religion. If it wasn't Islam it would be something else, but continue sticking your head in the sand and blaming an abstract idea if it keeps you happy.
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
What a stupid question..who knows how their lives would turn out without religion..I know one thing though..they wouldn't be blowing themselves up just being disenfranchised youth..

Would they fuck
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Disenfranchised youths like the ones that have armed themselves and shot up schools in the states?
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
So what you're saying is because x kills, it's acceptable that y does too and that y would kill anyway if he wasn't programmed from birth to blow himself up in the name of God

You are fucked up
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No, I'm saying people don't need Islam to be evil, they'd just find another excuse.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Anyway back to the point I wanted to make. Does anyone here really think that if Islam didn't exist these fuckers in IS would be model citizens and everyone in the middle east would have the same rights and standard of living that we have in this part of the globe?
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IS wouldn't exist as they'd be no such concept as a Caliphate. Whether or not they'd be model citizens is impossible to answer, we don't have Islam in the West as the main religion and there's thousands of people incarcerated in every nation for not being model citizens.

It would all depend on how the politics played out over the years speaking generically. Due to the amount of oil there I'd still guess they'd be conflict.

For centuries the entire region has been shaped by religion and religion in my opinion has a negative impact in any society. So I'd say the region would be better (it can't get much worse), but whether their soceity would mirror the West or not is impossible to guess.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Oh wow I'm a holocaust denier now, this is brilliant logic. Were the Nazis Islamic too? They were bigoted mass murdering inhumane twisted scum too weren't they?
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They certainly were..where do you want to go with this?

ISIS kill in the name of Allah..were shouting his name in that concert hall..survivors have stated this

God Is Great

This is unrefutable

You have no recourse here
 
Ban-jani said:
IS wouldn't exist as they'd be no such concept as a Caliphate. Whether or not they'd be model citizens is impossible to answer, we don't have Islam in the West as the main religion and there's thousands of people incarcerated in every nation for not being model citizens.

It would all depend on how the politics played out over the years speaking generically. Due to the amount of oil there I'd still guess they'd be conflict.

For centuries the entire region has been shaped by religion and religion in my opinion has a negative impact in any society. So I'd say the region would be better (it can't get much worse), but whether their soceity would mirror the West or not is impossible to guess.
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I'd say the religion grew from the society personally rather than the other way around, I can't see it being too much different without the region itself drastically changing in terms of social infrastructure, education etc. Hard to tell. I'd put money on the cunts that carried out that attack in Paris still being scum though.
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
They certainly were..where do you want to go with this?

ISIS kill in the name of Allah..were shouting his name in that concert hall..survivors have stated this

God Is Great

This is unrefutable

You have no recourse here
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I see it as an excuse and not the reason, you obviously don't.
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
Seems you're the one who's sticking his head in the sand

Never known anything like it

Trying to defend the indefensible
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Where have I defended their actions? If you can find one sentence where I've said that their actions were acceptable or justified I'll happily leave this forum. Otherwise don't talk shite.
 
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