Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

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And if he doesn't want to come on a temp basis
The players are not in a good condition, and we can't play our full squad

I remember when we played Liverpool recently loads of fans said when they heard the line up they knew we'd get beat. Same today. I could not be confident we'd beat Stoke with the 11 that started today. Demichelis scares me to death. Bony is way short of confidence. There are several players who are playing every 3-4 days because other players are injured. Silva is just coming back. We are limping from game to game. It's not as easy as you think.

Not saying Pellegrini hasn't donethings wrong, but football is 11 v 11, and there's luck and a lot of variables that aren't all under control
 
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Aside from Pep and Ancelotti there are no world class managers on the market.

Mancini was a successful manager at Inter and Pellegrini had done a good job where ever he had been. Both had been good for us but have their flaws. I see Sanchez Flores as a combined version of tactical nous and having an attacking style. Surely that's the balance we need and he's doing a very good job at Watford.

Aside from that there is Poch who is doing a very good job at Spurs but I cannot see us going for him. Surely if we wanted that style we'd have gone for Klopp.

The only other managers who could perhaps be worth a punt are De Boer and Conte.
 
Did you not see Fernando today? A strategically placed traffic cone would have been more effective.
He dived in and didn't win the ball in a couple of key moments, but he's still an extremely athletic and powerful player. I think he's undermined by injury at the moment.
 
Our midfield should we play Delph, Fernandinho and Fernando could overpower any midfield. They are as strong and competitive as any midfield.

They would create about as much as we did today. Fernando offers so little and you need a better passer in there. Toure, Delph and Fernandinho would give a better balance.
 
We need to arrest this slide before we begin to drop down the table any further. In the circumstances the answer to the question must be yes.
The problem is that with Pep waiting in the wings any replacement would probably only be temporary. Great pity that the dippers secured the services of Klopp when you look at the effect he has had on turning their season around. Only person I can think of is Ancelotti.
 
Pellegrini has a 67% win ratio.

The truth is only a handful of men are capable of replacing and there is no need for out right panic.
Not this only a fuckin handful of men can replace him bullshit again, he's a busted flush just like last season

Dont kid yourself thinking he's top notch.
 
No. Presumably the hope is we are lining someone (Pep) up for the summer. Pointless to remove Pellegrini unless we're truly in drastic danger of missing out on CL, i.e. lost the dressing room & this type of performance starts becoming the norm.

I'm sure others have pointed out we've got something like a 67% win ratio & score almost 3 a game under Pellegrini if you average it out, we're somehow still not far off top in the league, going to Wembley & the only English team through in CL so far - give him a chance to rectify the issues I say; with the players missing it's not unexpected to have dips - though that doesn't excuse our absolutely gash attempts at "defending" of late.

Don't think he is or ever was a long-term plan but can't see axing him at this stage making much difference to what we end up with this season. If he can somehow stumble us over the line to a trophy this season then he can leave with his dignity & having delivered 3 trophies in 3 years - rather than cut loose half-way through the season when he's (on paper) doing alright.
 
Not this only a fuckin handful of men can replace him bullshit again, he's a busted flush just like last season

Dont kid yourself thinking he's top notch.

Rubbish. There are a handful of managers out there, attainable that can come in and manage a club of our expectations now.

Thats got fuck all to do with Pellegrini or his performance, its a fact.
 
Not this only a fuckin handful of men can replace him bullshit again, he's a busted flush just like last season

Dont kid yourself thinking he's top notch.
At the moment many could do a better job for us simply because he's lost the players. Keeping him another day is the worst option.
 
And if he doesn't want to come on a temp basis

Then appoint Ancelotti full time, it's just weird holding out for someone else's manager anyway. If we're that desperate for Guardiola pay what it takes to break his Bayern contract and appoint him now, or forget him and get Ancelotti in on a 3 or 4 year contract.

We're going to look fucking daft if Pep doesn't end up coming, and even if he does, while we wait the team is suffering. This squad of players should be pissing this league, injuries or not.

A league where fucking Leicester are top, with a goal-shy rags and struggling Chelsea side, any decent manager with the likes of KDB, Fernandinho, Silva, Sterling, Yaya at his disposal would not be 3 points behind fucking Leicester.
 
He dived in and didn't win the ball in a couple of key moments, but he's still an extremely athletic and powerful player. I think he's undermined by injury at the moment.
You're too generous, Fernando is as average as average gets & should never have been signed.
 
No doubt but we have an owner and senior management team that will have a view on this and possibly, plans fulfilled with pep coming in the summer.

Regardless, there is no need for panic.

We should never need to panic but we have had too many poor games in the last 12 months. Today was a disgrace of a performance and I do not exonerate the players but we are now past the point of needing to make some changes to the system when we have key players missing. I do wonder if some fresh eyes in there would produce a lift in performance and why I would now consider something like a Hiddink / Clarke partnership for the rest of the season.
 
The biggest problem is under Mancini we used to defend the 18yd box & it was virtually impossible to get behind us, especially away from home we'd play on the counter & score hatfulls of goals. Defending was worked on as much if not more than attacking, it was a joy to watch the best teams throw everything at us while bouncing off our well drilled defence . Now, we have slow c.halfs & defend up near the half way line, it's suicide & could be put right with a half tactically minded manager.
Bingo. It's so obvious to all except pellegrini. Plus he tells the full backs to bomb on regardless and this leaves the center backs with a whole line to defend.
 
I'm saying his signings because any suggestion that txixi is at fault will just start the usual comments from damo et al that he is gods gift to football


Txiki has a fair bit to answer for. Said before all ball was kicked we were light in midfield. We are very light in midfield. We are light up front. And I'm sorry, just don't see how Silva & De Bruyne and Sterling fit into a team. All 3 counteract each other.

Play Sterling and De Bruyne out wide, we lack balance offensively and defensively.
Play Sterling behind a striker you get the worst out of all three.
Play Silva out wide, you don't get the best out of him and De Bruyne doesn't dictate a game like Silva does.

You could argue playing Fernando holding, Delph left of him and Fernandinho right is our most balanced midfield. So do we leave Silva out? One of our two record signings out?

Which ever way you look at our squad it's unbalanced or we leave one of Sterling, De Bruyne or Silva out. Sterling is making himself easiest to leave out, so then we're unbalanced.

I don't think there's an argument that we were at our best early season.

.......Ya Ya..Fernandinho.....
Navas.........Silva......Sterling
............Aguero...............

Does Navas produce what De Bruyne does? No. Did the team look balanced? Yes.

There would be an argument for, but Nasri is out.

...........Delph...Fernamdinho.....
Nasri.......Silva.......De Bryune....

Not a electric but would retain the ball.

For a manager in his last season supposedly he's been left with two huge decissions. How to mould Sterling, Silva & De Be Bruyne into a cohesive unit and what to do with Ya Ya.

While he's making mistakes, the injuries are really hurting. Today's team selection and tactics were standard, not brilliant not particularly bad. Could he have improved it? Possibly, we'll never know. Could anyone expect what we saw today? I doubt it.

For me know, his first call if he's to continue, Demichelis is really struggling and needs to be phased out. If that doesn't happen, put me in the otters club. He needs to make a call on Bony. I've defended Bony, but we look sharper and more comfortable as a team with Kelechi up front. Perhaps Bony would benefit from being fit for a month or so and training hard and earning a place. He has Mönchengladbach to step up.

If there is a motivational problem, or he's lost some of the players, I'm afraid that's on the senior management. If they are confident of Pep, the players know that, how is Pellegrini supposed to deal with that? It's impossible to expect any manager to ring the changes, show the players who's boss, when in actual fact he pretty much isn't.

In my opinion the players should be playing for their futures, did it look like that to anyone today? Fingers could be pointed at Pellehrini, but he picked a familiar team and system with players mainly in their favour positions. The odd tactical mistake may cost you the odd result here and there, but starting one international over another in their favoured positions should not result in a performance like that. Out there today, I hate to say it but Bojan made Silva look like Buster Philips, Glenn Johnson made Sagna look like Scott Hiley, Shawcross made Demichelis look like David Brightwell. These are not tactical issues.

Yes, we looked shaky at the back, very shaky that could be blamed on formation/tactics. But what's the excuse for going forwards?

I fully agree, I think there is something wrong, I just don't simply buy that it's all the managers fault.
 
If he wasn't such a coward when it comes to giving young players a chance maybe the likes of Bryan, Maffeo, Celina & Barker could have featured this season and lightened the workload on the senior players.
 
We should never need to panic but we have had too many poor games in the last 12 months. Today was a disgrace of a performance and I do not exonerate the players but we are now past the point of needing to make some changes to the system when we have key players missing. I do wonder if some fresh eyes in there would produce a lift in performance and why I would now consider something like a Hiddink / Clarke partnership for the rest of the season.

If a change is made im good with it as things stand. i saw a team today that looked like it had no belief in whatever the plans/system was and i saw no effort to change it from the sidelines and the post match remarks from the manager dont sit well with me either.

im just keen for the pep merry go round to stop and he either gets off at our place or we walk away and make a long term plan with someone else.
 
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