Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[Otamendi's Beard]

You're getting all the more entertaining the more you post.

Pellegrini wasn't unlucky. He was stupid.

"Simple as"

"End of"

"Simples" etc.

You should get on 'Call Collymore' they'd welcome you with open arms.

 

[Shaelumstash]

You're entitled to your opinion, but with due respect, there's a reason he is the Manager and you are sitting in the stands (or in front of your TV).

No disrespect mate, but this is the most ridiculous and pathetic argument that always gets trotted out - Experts are experts so you've got no right to question them. I completely disagree.

Fergurson would have brought on Kelechi, I guarantee you that. Does Pellegrini have no right to question Fergurson? Afterall, there's a reason Fergurson won 13 Premier League titles and Pellegrini has won 1.

People in positions of power and expertise make mistakes all the time. They make wrong decisions all the time. If they didn't there probably wouldn't be a Bluemoon forum, there would be no discussions about football, or much else for that matter, because the expert would always be right.

Blair was wrong to invade Iraq, Merril Lynch were wrong to invest in sub prime mortgage bonds in 2007, Alan Sugar was wrong to think that the iPod would be a 6 month fad. Were they all experts in a better position to make decisions that you or me? Of course they were. Did they get it right? No they didn't.

You should have more confidence in yourself, sometimes the man on the street can make a better decision by using common sense than an expert in a position of authority can. :-)

 

[Deleted member 58678]

The only thing that wasn't working was hitting the back of the net from 6 yards. Little he could do about that

Young lads are pigeonholed into positions at Youth level because of the traits they have. Defenders often get picked as defenders because they have good strength, possibly height and read the game well; lads who have good balance, fitness and passing ability are usually nurtured into midfielders; and lads are developed as strikers usually because they have a knack for putting the ball in the back of the net better than those in any other positions.

We missed some absolute sitters yesterday and all of them were midfielders (Fernando x2, Sterling x2, de Bruyne x1). None of them portrayed that strikers instinct or quality, they were the finishes of midfielders.

We had a striker on the bench which was the choice of the manager. He's a striker, in part, because he's got good finishing technique and is rated as one of the best in that position of his age in the world.

Now it may have been that these chances would still have fallen to the same players had Iheanacho been on the pitch (and still missed) or he might have had the chances but missed them himself. Or, because him being on the pitch would mean that everything that happened would have happened differently and those chances might not have come. But you'd also like to think that all his trained and natural skills and abilities as a striker would have helped the team out in scoring a goal better than some utterly appalling finishes from a load of midfielders.

And that was Pellegrini's choice.

I'm so disappointed about it because I was so pleased with Pellegrini after the Sevilla game and the tactics at Old Scaffold a few weeks before. We completely stifled both teams. I think that's why I'm more pissed off with Pellegrini than I might usually be after yesterday, he was growing on me more and more as the season went on and then yesterday happened.

 

[mosssideblue]

No disrespect mate, but this is the most ridiculous and pathetic argument that always gets trotted out - Experts are experts so you've got no right to question them. I completely disagree.

Fergurson would have brought on Kelechi, I guarantee you that. Does Pellegrini have no right to question Fergurson? Afterall, there's a reason Fergurson won 13 Premier League titles and Pellegrini has won 1.

People in positions of power and expertise make mistakes all the time. They make wrong decisions all the time. If they didn't there probably wouldn't be a Bluemoon forum, there would be no discussions about football, or much else for that matter, because the expert would always be right.

Blair was wrong to invade Iraq, Merril Lynch were wrong to invest in sub prime mortgage bonds in 2007, Alan Sugar was wrong to think that the iPod would be a 6 month fad. Were they all experts in a better position to make decisions that you or me? Of course they were. Did they get it right? No they didn't.

You should have more confidence in yourself, sometimes the man on the street can make a better decision by using common sense than an expert in a position of authority can. :-)

He may make poor decisions, but those decisions are informed decisions, not irrational ones that flood this forum.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Best post of 2015. Brilliant.

 

[mosssideblue]

Young lads are pigeonholed into positions at Youth level because of the traits they have. Defenders often get picked as defenders because they have good strength, possibly height and read the game well; lads who have good balance, fitness and passing ability are usually nurtured into midfielders; and lads are developed as strikers usually because they have a knack for putting the ball in the back of the net better than those in any other positions.

We missed some absolute sitters yesterday and all of them were midfielders (Fernando x2, Sterling x2, de Bruyne x1). None of them portrayed that strikers instinct or quality, they were the finishes of midfielders.

We had a striker on the bench which was the choice of the manager. He's a striker, in part, because he's got good finishing technique and is rated as one of the best in that position of his age in the world.

Now it may have been that these chances would still have fallen to the same players had Iheanacho been on the pitch (and still missed) or he might have had the chances but missed them himself. Or, because him being on the pitch would mean that everything that happened would have happened differently and those chances might not have come. But you'd also like to think that all his trained and natural skills and abilities as a striker would have helped the team out in scoring a goal better than some utterly appalling finishes from a load of midfielders.

And that was Pellegrini's choice.

I'm so disappointed about it because I was so pleased with Pellegrini after the Sevilla game and the tactics at Old Scaffold a few weeks before. We completely stifled both teams. I think that's why I'm more pissed off with Pellegrini than I might usually be after yesterday, he was growing on me more and more as the season went on and then yesterday happened.

Sorry mate, I respect your response, but you didn't have to be a dedicated striker to finish those chances. These are professional footballers.

 

[mosssideblue]

No disrespect mate, but this is the most ridiculous and pathetic argument that always gets trotted out - Experts are experts so you've got no right to question them. I completely disagree.

Fergurson would have brought on Kelechi, I guarantee you that. Does Pellegrini have no right to question Fergurson? Afterall, there's a reason Fergurson won 13 Premier League titles and Pellegrini has won 1.

People in positions of power and expertise make mistakes all the time. They make wrong decisions all the time. If they didn't there probably wouldn't be a Bluemoon forum, there would be no discussions about football, or much else for that matter, because the expert would always be right.

Blair was wrong to invade Iraq, Merril Lynch were wrong to invest in sub prime mortgage bonds in 2007, Alan Sugar was wrong to think that the iPod would be a 6 month fad. Were they all experts in a better position to make decisions that you or me? Of course they were. Did they get it right? No they didn't.

You should have more confidence in yourself, sometimes the man on the street can make a better decision by using common sense than an expert in a position of authority can. :-)

How do you know for sure of that outcome?

 

[Shaelumstash]

Young lads are pigeonholed into positions at Youth level because of the traits they have. Defenders often get picked as defenders because they have good strength, possibly height and read the game well; lads who have good balance, fitness and passing ability are usually nurtured into midfielders; and lads are developed as strikers usually because they have a knack for putting the ball in the back of the net better than those in any other positions.

We missed some absolute sitters yesterday and all of them were midfielders (Fernando x2, Sterling x2, de Bruyne x1). None of them portrayed that strikers instinct or quality, they were the finishes of midfielders.

We had a striker on the bench which was the choice of the manager. He's a striker, in part, because he's got good finishing technique and is rated as one of the best in that position of his age in the world.

Now it may have been that these chances would still have fallen to the same players had Iheanacho been on the pitch (and still missed) or he might have had the chances but missed them himself. Or, because him being on the pitch would mean that everything that happened would have happened differently and those chances might not have come. But you'd also like to think that all his trained and natural skills and abilities as a striker would have helped the team out in scoring a goal better than some utterly appalling finishes from a load of midfielders.

And that was Pellegrini's choice.

I'm so disappointed about it because I was so pleased with Pellegrini after the Sevilla game and the tactics at Old Scaffold a few weeks before. We completely stifled both teams. I think that's why I'm more pissed off with Pellegrini than I might usually be after yesterday, he was growing on me more and more as the season went on and then yesterday happened.

He may make poor decisions, but those decisions are informed decisions, not irrational ones that flood this forum.

Do you think the 3 examples I used - Blair, Merril Lynch and Alan Sugar were informed or irrational?

Also, do you think it is irrational to bring on a centre forward when your lone centre forward is coming off injured? It's far more irrational not to bring one on.

 

[lasereyes]

No disrespect mate, but this is the most ridiculous and pathetic argument that always gets trotted out - Experts are experts so you've got no right to question them. I completely disagree.

Fergurson would have brought on Kelechi, I guarantee you that. Does Pellegrini have no right to question Fergurson? Afterall, there's a reason Fergurson won 13 Premier League titles and Pellegrini has won 1.

People in positions of power and expertise make mistakes all the time. They make wrong decisions all the time. If they didn't there probably wouldn't be a Bluemoon forum, there would be no discussions about football, or much else for that matter, because the expert would always be right.

Blair was wrong to invade Iraq, Merril Lynch were wrong to invest in sub prime mortgage bonds in 2007, Alan Sugar was wrong to think that the iPod would be a 6 month fad. Were they all experts in a better position to make decisions that you or me? Of course they were. Did they get it right? No they didn't.

You should have more confidence in yourself, sometimes the man on the street can make a better decision by using common sense than an expert in a position of authority can. :-)

I didnt say you have no right to question anyone. In fact, the opposite - I said you are entitled to your opinion. But to call a professional manager with an impressive track record "stupid" over something which is at best debatable is not very sensible.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

You're entitled to your opinion, but with due respect, there's a reason he is the Manager and you are sitting in the stands (or in front of your TV).

The top and bottom of why almost all managers are managers is because they are ex-players. People don't give many fans the credit they deserve for their knowledge of the game. But because we've trained as joiners and teachers and whatever else, almost all will never go near a team to become a manager.

But look at all the variety of clubs and all the managers where fans can see where they're going wrong and fans are spot on in what we see and say about it, and the manager ends up getting the sack for their mistakes or they change their ways and get it right...many fans saw things going wrong well before many managers ever do.