Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[Shaelumstash]

How do you know for sure of that outcome?

How do you know the sun will come up tomorrow?

 

[mosssideblue]

Do you think the 3 examples I used - Blair, Merril Lynch and Alan Sugar were informed or irrational?

Also, do you think it is irrational to bring on a centre forward when your lone centre forward is coming off injured? It's far more irrational not to bring one on.

Sorry, you were't at training all week to determine whether Nacho was good bad or indifferent, you weren't fully aware of any medical conditions each player has, etc etc . Because you didn't see Nacho play yesterday, doesn't mean it was the wrong decision.

I will respect anyones opinion, but it is only like most posters on here (mine included), an uniformed one.

 

[mosssideblue]

How do you know the sun will come up tomorrow?

I'm not the one making guarantees, you were. But we both know your just speculating again

 

[lasereyes]

Young lads are pigeonholed into positions at Youth level because of the traits they have. Defenders often get picked as defenders because they have good strength, possibly height and read the game well; lads who have good balance, fitness and passing ability are usually nurtured into midfielders; and lads are developed as strikers usually because they have a knack for putting the ball in the back of the net better than those in any other positions.

We missed some absolute sitters yesterday and all of them were midfielders (Fernando x2, Sterling x2, de Bruyne x1). None of them portrayed that strikers instinct or quality, they were the finishes of midfielders.

We had a striker on the bench which was the choice of the manager. He's a striker, in part, because he's got good finishing technique and is rated as one of the best in that position of his age in the world.

Now it may have been that these chances would still have fallen to the same players had Iheanacho been on the pitch (and still missed) or he might have had the chances but missed them himself. Or, because him being on the pitch would mean that everything that happened would have happened differently and those chances might not have come. But you'd also like to think that all his trained and natural skills and abilities as a striker would have helped the team out in scoring a goal better than some utterly appalling finishes from a load of midfielders.

And that was Pellegrini's choice.

I'm so disappointed about it because I was so pleased with Pellegrini after the Sevilla game and the tactics at Old Scaffold a few weeks before. We completely stifled both teams. I think that's why I'm more pissed off with Pellegrini than I might usually be after yesterday, he was growing on me more and more as the season went on and then yesterday happened.

Several things here:
1. To cite deBruyne who has been among our most clinical finishers this year coesnt make too much sense.
2. When Fernando missed his header, Kelechi was already on the field. Unless Kelechi has somehow been cloned, we can disregard this instance
3. Fernando's first chance was very early in the game off a corner, when we still had a recognized striker on the field (Bony). So disregard that also.

So that leaves us with the header to Sterling who many here have been advocating to play in a striker role. I don't remember a second Sterling chance.

So your long post kinda misses the point.

 

[Shaelumstash]

I didnt say you have no right to question anyone. In fact, the opposite - I said you are entitled to your opinion. But to call a professional manager with an impressive track record "stupid" over something which is at best debatable is not very sensible.

Perhaps it's the adjective "stupid" that you are taking exception to. Perhaps naive, or simply incorrect would be better?

Do you think Alan Sugar was stupid with his observation about the iPod? Personally I think he was. At the time he was probably the most expert person in the UK to comment on electronics, but he got it totally wrong. Again, calling him naive or incorrect might be more respectful of a man who no doubt deserves respect in his field, but the truth is he got it totally wrong. Just like Pellegrini on Sunday.

 

[Rammy Blue]

No idea why anyone engages with the troll, fucking pointless.

 

[lasereyes]

The top and bottom of why almost all managers are managers is because they are ex-players. People don't give many fans the credit they deserve for their knowledge of the game. But because we've trained as joiners and teachers and whatever else, almost all will never go near a team to become a manager.

But look at all the variety of clubs and all the managers where fans can see where they're going wrong and fans are spot on in what we see and say about it, and the manager ends up getting the sack for their mistakes or they change their ways and get it right...many fans saw things going wrong well before many managers ever do.

So what exactly went wrong on Sun that Pellegrini could be held responsible for? He played a formation which a great many of the omniscient fans you are citing have advocated in Aguero's absence. It worked well in that some great chances were created.

The problem with armchair fans is they often spout off without letting logic get in the way. For instance, they say Kelechi should have been brought on instead of Navas and he would apparently have been in the exact same position as deBruyne and Sterling and buried those chances. Even if somehow that were true, did you ever stop to think who created those chances? The same Navas who apparently should never have been brought on?

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Sorry mate, I respect your response, but you didn't have to be a dedicated striker to finish those chances. These are professional footballers.

Good point.

Fernando has to get his head over the ball for that first chance, it wasn't a difficult chance, but he leant back and scewed it over and wide - very poor effort.
Sterling has to drive into the box and fire off a shot on his left foot - that daft cut inside and stupid dive was a totally garbage outcome from that situation.
Sterling has to keep his eyes open, square his shoulders up and head the ball down into the bottom right corner - you tell twelve year olds not to close their eyes and just let it hit their head into the middle of the goal.
If it's 0-5, then fair enough go for a fancy flick, but that was an incredibly poor effort from de Bruyne.
Fernando's header wasn't actually that hard a chance but it wasn't a bad effort.

But as you say, you would expect professional footballers to put all of those chances away. You would expect over £100m worth of talent in three players to fucking bury every one of those chances!

But I still think we should have had a striker on the pitch in that hour we didn't yesterday.

 

[lasereyes]

Perhaps it's the adjective "stupid" that you are taking exception to. Perhaps naive, or simply incorrect would be better?

Do you think Alan Sugar was stupid with his observation about the iPod? Personally I think he was. At the time he was probably the most expert person in the UK to comment on electronics, but he got it totally wrong. Again, calling him naive or incorrect might be more respectful of a man who no doubt deserves respect in his field, but the truth is he got it totally wrong. Just like Pellegrini on Sunday.

Naive/incorrect in your opinion. I dont agree. And you havent presented any compelling evidence to support your theory.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

So what exactly went wrong on Sun that Pellegrini could be held responsible for? He played a formation which a great many of the omniscient fans you are citing have advocated in Aguero's absence. It worked well in that some great chances were created.

The problem with armchair fans is they often spout off without letting logic get in the way. For instance, they say Kelechi should have been brought on instead of Navas and he would apparently have been in the exact same position as deBruyne and Sterling and buried those chances. Even if somehow that were true, did you ever stop to think who created those chances? The same Navas who apparently should never have been brought on?

I actually think Navas should have started, he's been playing well and de Bruyne hasn't.