United Thread 2015/16

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mufc1988 said:
This is true even for City.
Do you think an ethnic Malaysian will support a team full of Black and Hispanic players run by Arabs in a White Country because he shares the same value systems as the Blacks, Hispanics, Arabs and Whites?
Wake up !!!
It has always been about success. Only a sustained period of success will lead to loyalty.
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What has our owners ethnicity got to do with any thing?

Thats the 2nd post I've seen where you mention it.

You wont last long here im afraid as the mask is finally slipping.
 
mufc1988 said:
I would rather have my club run as a business than a charity.
A business oriented mentality will lead to sustainable systems and prudent decision making.
I have no problems if owners extract dividends outside of clubs or companies as long as they meet their targets.

On the other hand, there is a credible argument that many of City's commercial deals have come because of companies trying to keep your influential owners happy rather than a market-oriented rationale. If there is an Arab Spring (not unthinkable) and the regime changes, it would be interesting to see how that plays out at City.

As of now, United are a 'safer' asset.
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Possibly one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.

United is run as a charity, the Malcolm Glazer Benevolent Fund, they are milking the club dry!

Also,Mir there is a 'Spring' in the UAE, how it effects City will be the last thing on people's mind, but as you wrongly state, it is pretty much unthinkable at the moment and foreseeable future
 
mufc1988 said:
I would rather have my club run as a business than a charity.
A business oriented mentality will lead to sustainable systems and prudent decision making.
I have no problems if owners extract dividends outside of clubs or companies as long as they meet their targets.

On the other hand, there is a credible argument that many of City's commercial deals have come because of companies trying to keep your influential owners happy rather than a market-oriented rationale. If there is an Arab Spring (not unthinkable) and the regime changes, it would be interesting to see how that plays out at City.

As of now, United are a 'safer' asset.
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We are sustainable now so would not affect us very much at all really. Our foot is not just in the door bud, we are banging your wife (metaphor, no offense intended to your real wife bud).
 
mufc1988 said:
This is true even for City.
Do you think an ethnic Malaysian will support a team full of Black and Hispanic players run by Arabs in a White Country because he shares the same value systems as the Blacks, Hispanics, Arabs and Whites?
Wake up !!!
It has always been about success. Only a sustained period of success will lead to loyalty.
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You're attached to a brand that was glamorous in the 90's/00's, despite you're reading up on their history you have no deeper understanding of English (or World) football than understanding why Marathon became Snickers.

We have plenty of new supporters from the states but they are respectful of our history and the history of football in general and I doubt many would attempt to teach their grannies ow to suck eggs.

I don't know where you live in Septicania but I would entreat you to support your local club so you become a part of it's culture and fuckoff from pontificating whereof you do not know.
 
oakiecokie said:
Could you quantify that assumption please.As a club we don`t own a penny and yet your leaders continually place you club into millions of pounds into debt and you carry on paying astronomical interest on those loans.
Give me an Arab businessman any day compared to a Yank one.
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Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with a leveraged buy out.
Whenever you use your credit card or take a home or vehicle loan, you are essentially 'leveraging' your ability to generate future cash flows in order to pay for an asset right now.
The bet that the Glazers took were:
1. Premier league would get more cash through TV deals and Sponsorship.
2. SAF would maintain sustained success on relatively lesser funding. Prize money would be greater than cost of playing.
3. Utd would be able to attract sponsorship over and above its rivals due to its success.
All 3 came true and that to me makes them excellent businessmen.
By allowing SAF to run the team as he pleased (spending on wingers at the cost of midfielders, spending 20 mil on a 30 year old striker, etc.) they moved from being good businessmen to being good owners.
Also, Manchester United have the 3rd highest Profit before Tax even after accounting for interest and loans payable.
The loans are all under control. There is a schedule according to which it has to be payed.

The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
 
Silva61 said:
You know what u just said, u don't really believe.
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I totally believe in this. I would be delighted if Bill Gates ran Manchester United but only if decisions were made as if it was a proper business !!!
Proper businesses are 'successful' businesses.
 
TCIB said:
Always happy to give the elder statesmen of the forum a chuckle sir :-)

(hope you are having a lovely christmas so far boss)
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Yes mate so far so good.Well apart from Mondays result but the Pep thread is wonderful,but then again so is Rag Cafe and I have been in stitches,logging onto their site and feeling their pain and anguish. NOT !!
A truly wonderful time to be a Blue.
 
blueinsa said:
What has our owners ethnicity got to do with any thing?

Thats the 2nd post I've seen where you mention it.

You wont last long here im afraid as the mask is finally slipping.
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What mask? I have always said I supported MUFC.
The reason I raised their ethnicity was to show you that successful modern football teams are too diverse to have any common values such as a 'working man's club' or 'a club for the upwardly' mobile.
Success is the only binder to attract new fans.
If you are implying I am racist then you are wrong.
 
blueinsa said:
Im going to hell for this but fair fucks to the man for telling the snakes straight.
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Completely agree. The only thing missing was Van Gaal saying "you're all a bunch of cunts, lick my lid and go and fuck yourselves". The silence from the so called "journalists" was telling....embarrassed silence. Not for turtle, but for themselves IMO.

On a side note, spot the only journo to speak......"you may of managed big clubs elsewhere, but THIS IS MANCHESTER UNITED". So fucking what dickhead. Sums up the press in this country perfectly. Wankers.
 
kippax81 said:
Completely agree. The only thing missing was Van Gaal saying "you're all a bunch of cunts, lick my lid and go and fuck yourselves". The silence from the so called "journalists" was telling....embarrassed silence. Not for turtle, but for themselves IMO.

On a side note, spot the only journo to speak......"you may of managed big clubs elsewhere, but THIS IS MANCHESTER UNITED". So fucking what dickhead. Sums up the press in this country perfectly. Wankers.
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Vomit inducing from the journo.

CUNTS!
 
mufc1988 said:
Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with a leveraged buy out.
Whenever you use your credit card or take a home or vehicle loan, you are essentially 'leveraging' your ability to generate future cash flows in order to pay for an asset right now.
The bet that the Glazers took were:
1. Premier league would get more cash through TV deals and Sponsorship.
2. SAF would maintain sustained success on relatively lesser funding. Prize money would be greater than cost of playing.
3. Utd would be able to attract sponsorship over and above its rivals due to its success.
All 3 came true and that to me makes them excellent businessmen.
By allowing SAF to run the team as he pleased (spending on wingers at the cost of midfielders, spending 20 mil on a 30 year old striker, etc.) they moved from being good businessmen to being good owners.
Also, Manchester United have the 3rd highest Profit before Tax even after accounting for interest and loans payable.
The loans are all under control. There is a schedule according to which it has to be payed.

The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
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You are talking like we are owned by the UAE state, we arent even owned by the Abu Dhabi state. We are owned by a wealthy individual who has over a trillion in assets outside his own country and a very diverse portfolio. Should either point a or point b happen to the 'Arabs' (yet again showing your racial ignorance i see, you list the Glazers - not Yanks and rather than put Mansour you put Arabs - says a lot about you) it will have zero effect on CFG as a whole.

I think its time you found somewhere else to trot out your bollocks. A self confessed glory seeking out of town rag, is this what this forum has come to?
 
mufc1988 said:
Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with a leveraged buy out.
Whenever you use your credit card or take a home or vehicle loan, you are essentially 'leveraging' your ability to generate future cash flows in order to pay for an asset right now.
The bet that the Glazers took were:
1. Premier league would get more cash through TV deals and Sponsorship.
2. SAF would maintain sustained success on relatively lesser funding. Prize money would be greater than cost of playing.
3. Utd would be able to attract sponsorship over and above its rivals due to its success.
All 3 came true and that to me makes them excellent businessmen.
By allowing SAF to run the team as he pleased (spending on wingers at the cost of midfielders, spending 20 mil on a 30 year old striker, etc.) they moved from being good businessmen to being good owners.
Also, Manchester United have the 3rd highest Profit before Tax even after accounting for interest and loans payable.
The loans are all under control. There is a schedule according to which it has to be payed.

The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
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OIL PRICES !!!!
You need to look at their portfolio if you believe for one moment that oil is their saviour.Another Rag jumping on the ever trending assumption that HH is only using City as his toy/plaything.
Tell me please "what has your club ever done for this wonderful city,financially" ?
Taxi for Raggies.
 
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