The UK's population density is still many times that of Sweden.
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The UK's population density is still many times that of Sweden.
grunge
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What if the UK has taken as many immigrants as it can accommodate and can therefore take no more people? I'd welcome more refugees if we could house, educate and treat them if needed, but we can't.
England's population density is the highest of any reasonably sized nation in the EU, so why should we keep taking more and more people?
How about a sense of responsibility for the fact that this refugee crisis wouldnt be happening if we ( and the USA ) hadn't gone in and destroyed Iraq.
While I don't doubt there are certain industries that have been impacted wage wise by immigration, a larger work force will mean people willing to work for less to make sure they get the job. but I doubt its a major impact, and if its a problem the government should raise the minimum wage to rectify it. Zero hour contracts are helpful to the government as they make job figures look rosier than they are, but they dont really help the people on them.
Saying that I will ( unless something major changes between now and then ) be voting to stay in the EU, I honestly see leaving the EU would be disaterous to the UK in the short to mid term.
Exactly how I feel.
The UK's population density is still many times that of Sweden.
It's not even twice that of Sweden, never mind many times. The reason the UK has acted in such a cowardly way is because of your brutish, undemocratic media. It has lied to you for so long that you now believe its poison. You're finished as a civilised nation.
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I am a committed europhile but I believe there will be a a large majority for the OUT vote.
Cameron's fannying about in Brussels is irrelevant. Most people have already decided how to vote.
Cameron's fannying about in Brussels is irrelevant. Most people have already decided how to vote.
What if the UK has taken as many immigrants as it can accommodate and can therefore take no more people? I'd welcome more refugees if we could house, educate and treat them if needed, but we can't.
England's population density is the highest of any reasonably sized nation in the EU, so why should we keep taking more and more people?
I know you are having a separate argument but just to clarify, there's a big difference between refugees and migrants. The argument for how many refugees we can house is completely different to allowing freedom of movement for EU workers.
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I suspect you maybe right...I am a committed europhile but I believe there will be a a large majority for the OUT vote.
Cameron's fannying about in Brussels is irrelevant. Most people have already decided how to vote.
I know you are having a separate argument but just to clarify, there's a big difference between refugees and migrants. The argument for how many refugees we can house is completely different to allowing freedom of movement for EU workers.
I agree, but the number of migrants coming in due to freedom of movement directly affects the number of refugees we can cater for. It's silly to skirt over the point.
How about a sense of responsibility for the fact that this refugee crisis wouldnt be happening if we ( and the USA ) hadn't gone in and destroyed Iraq.
I also agree with that, but I don't blame myself.
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so he says his making a speech on a referendum and talks more about migration.
Hoghead
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As they used to say about the Lotto, 'you have to be in it to win it', until they change the rules of course.
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It's not even twice that of Sweden, never mind many times. The reason the UK has acted in such a cowardly way is because of your brutish, undemocratic media. It has lied to you for so long that you now believe its poison. You're finished as a civilised nation.
I wouldn't put it so strongly, but I agree with the premise.
Increasingly brits at a political and individual level are out of touch with trends and the direction the world is heading. These threads bring out the worst of them, you wait.
Like the chap you quoted earlier.Persistent high un employment the fault of the EU? If it even exists in the UK (which the Tories have spent the last five years telling us it hasnt), to attribute that on us brig part of the eu is naive and quite possibly a twister version of baader-meinhof.
They'll be in for a shock when we leave (and I think we will) and immigration stays the same and we descend into another recession. Who then can we pin our blame on?
And before inevitable responses come:
-no, I think we will be in a recession before then
-because the recent historic growth is not structural
-because regardless of what you think we need them
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Well that was enlightening.....
Would rather attack Corbyn than answer his questions on it all being a political stunt to protect his party.
Would rather attack Corbyn than answer his questions on it all being a political stunt to protect his party.
I wouldn't put it so strongly, but I agree with the premise.
Increasingly brits at a political and individual level are out of touch with trends and the direction the world is heading. These threads bring out the worst of them, you wait.
Like the chap you quoted earlier.Persistent high un employment the fault of the EU? If it even exists in the UK (which the Tories have spent the last five years telling us it hasnt), to attribute that on us brig part of the eu is naive and quite possibly a twister version of baader-meinhof.
They'll be in for a shock when we leave (and I think we will) and immigration stays the same and we descend into another recession. Who then can we pin our blame on?
And before inevitable responses come:
-no, I think we will be in a recession before then
-because the recent historic growth is not structural
-because regardless of what you think we need them
Yes, I may have been exaggerating slightly, but the UK is in real trouble. Deep trouble.
grunge
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I agree, but the number of migrants coming in due to freedom of movement directly affects the number of refugees we can cater for. It's silly to skirt over the point.
I also agree with that, but I don't blame myself.
Nope, I dont blame myself for it either, we as a general populus had very little control over those actions, there were record numbers of people protesting that war. but as a country we should do everything we can to alleviate the problems they are having.
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It's not even twice that of Sweden, never mind many times. The reason the UK has acted in such a cowardly way is because of your brutish, undemocratic media. It has lied to you for so long that you now believe its poison. You're finished as a civilised nation.
This.
It makes perfect sense as well as the bankruptcy remark. The countries economy is built on a ponzi scheme by Gideon and were being lied to constantly yet accept it as the norm. This will be an important vote I urge people to study the facts and come to their conclusions and vote accordingly not what Rupert tells you to do.
Nope, I dont blame myself for it either, we as a general populus had very little control over those actions, there were record numbers of people protesting that war. but as a country we should do everything we can to alleviate the problems they are having.
Then that's where the difference is. I believe that we, as a country, are doing all that can be reasonably expected of us. Others clearly don't believe the same.
It's not really an EU point anyway, other than indicating the impact that freedom of movement has on absolutely everything.
I agree, but the number of migrants coming in due to freedom of movement directly affects the number of refugees we can cater for. It's silly to skirt over the point.
What are you talking about? Why would a lawyer from Spain who earns £60k a year impact on a refugee from Syria and vice versa? I don't understand the correlation. You do know migrants get nothing when they arrive. Haha.
Sorry but I can't see anything in that BBC report about a date being set,
the Tory's manifesto promise was always by the end of 2017, but I'd be surprised if they
allowed Tory ministers to take lumps out of each other for 2 years, I think it'll be this year fwiw
the Tory's manifesto promise was always by the end of 2017, but I'd be surprised if they
allowed Tory ministers to take lumps out of each other for 2 years, I think it'll be this year fwiw
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They've just reported should Cameron get a "deal" next month he's hoping it could be as early as July.Sorry but I can't see anything in that BBC report about a date being set,
the Tory's manifesto promise was always by the end of 2017, but I'd be surprised if they
allowed Tory ministers to take lumps out of each other for 2 years, I think it'll be this year fwiw
What are you talking about? Why would a lawyer from Spain who earns £60k a year impact on a refugee from Syria and vice versa? I don't understand the correlation. You do know migrants get nothing when they arrive. Haha.
Both of those people are most likely to live in existing housing and use existing roads, schools, hospitals, etc. Infrastructure can only stretch so far and it's at breaking point now.