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From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
 
M18CTID said:
From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
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It must have hurt to type that :-)
Unless of course it was one of us?
 
M18CTID said:
From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
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My money is on Garry Cook writing that (He still loves us)
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
According to the Mail United will land Gareth Bale this transfer window as he wants to work with his hero Ryan Giggs.

The moral of the story is never meet your heroes. They might shag your wife.
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The first thing his "hero" would teach him would be how to be injured before most Welsh international games kick off.
 
M18CTID said:
From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
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This hits the nail on the head. A warped sense of self importance and ill judged view of their status in the game is behind it. They just assumed that anything Fergie was doing was the right thing yet the squad was in decline in his last years and he had his hands all over the Moyes debacle.

From there they have just assumed that under a ‘big name’ coach the natural order would be restored and the ‘United way’ would triumph. The reality is their transfer dealings have been shambolic for at least 5 years and show no signs of changing. RVP was the last big name they secured and got a good return from. I think they are scared of competing with other top rivals now as they are paranoid about losing face. Pedro to Chavs being the sort of public humiliation that they are not willing to risk. They have no guts, they should just sack LVG appoint Jose and get on with the inevitable but that would involve accepting more failure and that is something they just can’t bring themselves to do.
 
M18CTID said:
From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
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The style and content are reminiscent of GDM...
 
M18CTID said:
From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
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M18CTID said:
From the Caf - someone gets it ;)

"Pep joining City has more to do with the lack of planning/ insight by other clubs, including United (this is the excruciating part) because United can offer him as much money as City can given the club's enormous revenues. We were fully aware of the fact that Van Gaal wasn't going to be part of the club's medium to long term plans - and we should have stepped up our efforts in pursuit of Pep/ Carlo/ José (at different times through the season) - who are all upgrades on the Dutchman - who is no longer the visionary coach he was at Ajax, or even Barcelona. Instead, we're doing exactly what we did when Fergie retired - scoffing at the likes of José for a multitude of reasons that have been addressed elsewhere, or waiting until the others are snapped up by other clubs, before appointing the 5th or 6th choice - which Giggs would represent, if indeed we do appoint him. It's like we're not even trying for Guardiola (both according to the brief, and the likelihood of him joining City because of their background interactions since the summer) - which is rather sad, and grates on the more pragmatic section of fans who want to correct our course before we fall further behind the leading pack (not just domestically, but European football as a whole). Once you lose the winning touch, it's hard to replace the aura - and we've already lost a lot of our sheen since Fergie hung up his managerial boots.

If United were serious about appointing Pep, we would have contacted him in the summer when it was public knowledge that he was entering the last year of his contract at Bayern (maybe we did, but it's highly unlikely given the narrative surrounding Van Gaal). We would have sold him the vision of United's 'project' and how we was going to fit into that, guaranteed him the tools to succeed (in terms of transfers and more guaranteed money throughout his tenure), and laid out the red carpets by offering him a massive contract. That's what City have done (presumably) - they've been preparing for years, building up their club from scratch (while we stood pat in terms of infrastructure and background staff); and now they're at a point where they need to take things up a notch, and become a serious European contender, while we're regressed from not just our peak, but even median levels over the last couple decades. Instead of planning an upheaval to move on from the Fergie era, we're busy reminiscing and content with looking at others from our ivory towers and harping about how 'We're United' - as if we have a divine right to win and they'll come because of our name and history, when the landscape of football is changing rather rapidly in front of our eyes; and a lot of players/ managers these days don't give a shite about stature (unless you're Real Madrid and Barcelona) - they care more about present circumstances, money, and chances of success.

Ultimately, we've got no one to blame but ourselves - this is a result of our antics in the transfer market for a long time, the fact that the owners didn't invest back in the club (stadium/ academy/ background footballing staff) and our deluded/ erroneous decision making post Fergie. We botched the transition from him, we don't have a discernible template for the future, we're not willing to sack a massively underperforming manager because apparently he's laying the foundations - which will necessitate a 3 year drought where we win squat (even though a lot of top managers have achieved far more with far less, and in a shorter timeframe) - and that'll be followed by a cycle of Pep at City, where we might down tools and win squat again - because we lack the wherewithal in terms of top players guided a a top manager at the helm - all because we plagued with indecision, and consumed by hubris, and our misguided sense of invulnerability - and the fact that we're likely going to overlook Pep's kryptonite for intangible reasons (when he's been angling for the United job for years)."
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I am pretty sure this will have been written by a Blue as the Rags " supporters " are far too arrogant and stupid to have compiled this masterpiece.
 
The Lord above must be sending the raggies strong delusions (to quote the bible) if they think they can stop Pep coming here. It is done, you twats and fornicators.
 
Someone gave a fine timeline of Utd this window and it is proving true with them recalling all their players.
Went something like "linked to everyone, end up with recalled loan players.

If they end this window with just recalled loans and their pr dept happy to encourage them being linked with everyone but no results then wow.
Should it then fair fucks but this stinks of penny pinching.

Note how we shut down the attempts from camp Neymar to use us as a pawn just last week in contract talks.
Utd would invite it knowing full well they are not getting him, to their suits Neymar's name mentioned positively (seemingly) in media = good publicity.
The end result and how that affects fans seems lost on them. That said they have probably done studies on how long they can blag the average Utd fan who buys a shirt or two.
 
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