No Yaya in the team...

A truly magnificent,unique player.

No one else in world football has been able to do what Yaya has done from his position.

If he wants to he can stay at CITY & be used strategically for his benefit,the benefit of the team & the benefit of the club.

When the time comes for this true modern era legend to retire he should be our African Ambassador to help attract the next Nacho

A BM campaign should be started to re build & cement Yaya's legend status not destroy it.

Think of this clubs greatest moments in our recent history and there stands the great YAYA TOURE at the centre of it all !!

We are blessed to have him.

What do you guys think ?
 
CrownPointBlue said:
A truly magnificent,unique player.

No one else in world football has been able to do what Yaya has done from his position.

If he wants to he can stay at CITY & be used strategically for his benefit,the benefit of the team & the benefit of the club.

When the time comes for this true modern era legend to retire he should be our African Ambassador to help attract the next Nacho

A BM campaign should be started to re build & cement Yaya's legend status not destroy it.

Think of this clubs greatest moments in our recent history and there stands the great YAYA TOURE at the centre of it all !!

We are blessed to have him.

What do you guys think ?
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I don't think anybody disputes what Toure has done for our beloved club, however done and doing are two very different things, I do believe he could be an ambassador for the club, however one thing is blatantly obvious he needs to get ride of his self righteous, over zealous agent, there lies one of his problems. The other is there are younger and better players that are able to step up to the plate, but what better than to have Toure teaching them what they all admired as they grew up. He isn't the player he used to be and that is a fact, I even think he recognised it the other day against Everton for the first time, his playing days are far from over.... but at city, this will be his last season as a regular starter!!
 
I'm not a big stats man, it I'd like to see the correlation between our Goals Conceeded and Ya Ya's inclusion as a holding midfielder. Because off the top of my head, when we play with Delph and Fernandinho we have been very solid.
 
Barry Conlons wig said:
The first five league games we'd have beaten Barcelona if we played them, we were unstoppable, but then what happened...reality
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And yaya wasn't a part of the reason why we would have?

I'm just saying its easy to quote stats saying we are better without him and then ignore stats that showed we have Ben equally as good with him!

De bruyne didn't play the first five games and was missing yesterday and against Norwich. Does that mean we are better without him too?
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
And yaya wasn't a part of the reason why we would have?

I'm just saying its easy to quote stats saying we are better without him and then ignore stats that showed we have Ben equally as good with him!

De bruyne didn't play the first five games and was missing yesterday and against Norwich. Does that mean we are better without him too?
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Stats have their place. They are performance indicators and like any peformance indicators, some are key; some less so but you always need to try and take a balanced view of such things.

Playing three in midfield, sitting back and not allowing your opponents into your box and then breaking on them can be successful and wa yesterday but it is not the only way to play, it's certainly not the only way to play, and it can be played with or without Yaya in the team but it does not mean it is time for Yaya to suddenly become a bit part player. Not one of the squad has proved that they can be the hub of our passing game in the way that Yaya is and that remains a problem, given that we are, and may increasingly be, a possession based team.
 
Yesterday, we played with a solid base and counter attacked with speed. When y aya plays obviously we could not play in that style. As he cannot defend and would not be able to get 100 yards upfield quickly too often.

Personally think we will start to play that way more often.

Don't want to criticize Toure though as I don't want my head bitten off.
 
The OP makes a perfectly valid point. Yaya's role within the team means he dictates the pace of the game. Without him recently we have looked much more fluent and slick in possession. That's not to suggest that I'm not grateful for everything he has done for us. He will always go down as one of the greats but if we are looking at the here and now I can't see how he can command a starting place in the premier league each week.
 
If a team comes to Manchester with the intention of escaping with a point at best, then we need Toure; Delph, Fernando, and Fernandinho simply don't have the nous to keep possession, shift the ball, and exhaust the opponents. However, when away from home, and teams are willing just that bit more to risk it, then the other three have the engines and discipline to shuttle back and forth, especially when complimented by de Bruyne, Navas, or Sterling.

If we win anything this year, it really will have been a squad effort.
 
belperboy1 said:
Yesterday, we played with a solid base and counter attacked with speed. When y aya plays obviously we could not play in that style. As he cannot defend and would not be able to get 100 yards upfield quickly too often.

Personally think we will start to play that way more often.

Don't want to criticize Toure though as I don't want my head bitten off.
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Then don't make comments like Yaya cannot defend. FFS just go back to the Leicester away game and check the stats or watch a recording of the game. It is absolute flaming nonsense to say that Yaya cannot defend. There are some things he is less good at defensively and he is not a shuttle run kind of player but he is far from useless at defending when he really needs to do it. And you will probably find that he leads or is close to leading the team in ball recovery stats.
 
By not being able to defend, let me explain in a simple way what I mean and what is true.
If you watch a game, and watch off the ball..Toure is not able to see runners, because he ball watches.he cannot see or track dangerous runs, so he us not in the right places at the right times.

I don't want an argument, just watch away from the ball at the next match you attend, it will be an education.
 
OB1 said:
And giving possession away cheaply isn't clever.

Did you go to the game yesterday?
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No didnt go finances wont stretch to more than a few games per season but I do watch every game thats on tv/sat. I dont like having to criticize MC players but most of yaya's possession now is o n the half way line and just slows our quick breaking attacks down.
 
OB1 said:
Then don't make comments like Yaya cannot defend. FFS just go back to the Leicester away game and check the stats or watch a recording of the game. It is absolute flaming nonsense to say that Yaya cannot defend. There are some things he is less good at defensively and he is not a shuttle run kind of player but he is far from useless at defending when he really needs to do it. And you will probably find that he leads or is close to leading the team in ball recovery stats.
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He didn't defend well against West Ham or Everton where both opening goals were in part down to opposing players accelerating away from him.

He can pass, and shoot. He's strong in the tackle. Good in the air. But he can't sprint. Any 50-50 loose ball becomes a 30-70
 
Why do people automatically feel the need to come in to a thread that's discussing Yaya and claim anybody that isn't 100% positive about him is slagging him off? The op hasn't slagged him off he's raised a valid point and one that is becoming increasingly apparent the more games we play without Yaya.

Yaya changes our entire style, for certain games it may be beneficial to play that way but the main complaints when we fail to win have been there's a lack of tempo, movement and urgency on the ball and a lack of mobility or trackers in midfield off the ball. These are all strongly linked to Yaya. I'm not saying it's entirely his fault but seeing as the team is pretty much built around him when he plays it's fair to say he's at the heart of it.

With the players we've got, i think we're fair more suited to a quick tempo, pressing and countering game than a more methodical possession based game that involves us trying to break down walls of 10 players just for the opportunity of a shot. You can't take too much from yesterdays game as Villa clearly weren't arsed in the slightest but every time we've played without yaya we've looked a much better side. His role should now be primarily on the bench and to come on for the last 30 minutes to get on the ball and dictate the play either to control the game when winning and see it out or to look for a killer pass or one of his trademark goals if we're in need of a goal.

I don't think pellegrini is willing to do that though.
 
Marvin said:
He didn't defend well against West Ham or Everton where both opening goals were in part down to opposing players accelerating away from him.

He can pass, and shoot. He's strong in the tackle. Good in the air. But he can't sprint. Any 50-50 loose ball becomes a 30-70
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You do understand what ball recovery means?
 
I think why Yaya gets so much criticism, is that we all know what he is capable of.
This season he has been far from the player we have known and come to love.
We forget he is human and age is catching up with his legs. He has a massive frame,
he has to carry every game. I think we'll see him not starting as much or going off
earlier. But one thing i'm sure of, is he will play a MAJOR part in some important wins
and we should not brush him aside too easy.
 
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