No Yaya in the team...

[fatbloke]

OB1, Millwallawayveteran1988 and a few others would probably defend Yaya in court dispute video evidence of him driving at 102mph so there's no point in trying to debate with them.

The majority of us know that Yaya's days have been and gone, sadly. Fernandinho and Delph offer far more in every game situation unless we're at home playing against 'park the bus' tactics from the dross at the bottom of the league.

 

[OB1]

OB1, Millwallawayveteran1988 and a few others would probably defend Yaya in court dispute video evidence of him driving at 102mph so there's no point in trying to debate with them.

The majority of us know that Yaya's days have been and gone, sadly. Fernandinho and Delph offer far more in every game situation unless we're at home playing against 'park the bus' tactics from the dross at the bottom of the league.

Far goals: no
Far more shots: no
Far more assists: no
Far more passes: no
Far more balls recovered: no
Far more key passes: no

Well, not even more of those particular aspects of the game.

Delph just about makes more tackles and interceptions; and Dinho does make far more tackles than both of them. And, of course, Delph and Dinho make lots more sprints.

You are right it is not worth debating with people like me who like facts so let's just see what happens in the rest of the season.

 

[Barry Conlons wig]

Far goals: no
Far more shots: no
Far more assists: no
Far more passes: no
Far more balls recovered: no
Far more key passes: no

Well, not even more of those particular aspects of the game.

Delph just about makes more tackles and interceptions; and Dinho does make far more tackles than both of them. And, of course, Delph and Dinho make lots more sprints.

You are right it is not worth debating with people like me who like facts so let's just see what happens in the rest of the season.

I really can't believe how blinkered you are being, yaya has been a tremendous player, one of the best box to box midfielders I have had the pleasure to see, especially modern day, but he is past it, we lose complete balance in the team when he plays, other players are stretched far too much. I will be absolutely surprised If he is a regular starter next season, his engine is knackered and needs a total overall (overall being a more mundane league that doesn't require the same intensity)

 

[fatbloke]

Far goals: no
Far more shots: no
Far more assists: no
Far more passes: no
Far more balls recovered: no
Far more key passes: no

Well, not even more of those particular aspects of the game.

Delph just about makes more tackles and interceptions; and Dinho does make far more tackles than both of them. And, of course, Delph and Dinho make lots more sprints.

You are right it is not worth debating with people like me who like facts so let's just see what happens in the rest of the season.

So Delph makes more tackles and interceptions, Fernandinho makes far more tackles than both of them - yet Yaya makes more ball recoveries - make your bastardwell mind up son.

 

[OB1]

So Delph makes more tackles and interceptions, Fernandinho makes far more tackles than both of them - yet Yaya makes more ball recoveries - make your bastardwell mind up son.

Try understanding what each stat means, son.

 

[OB1]

I really can't believe how blinkered you are being, yaya has been a tremendous player, one of the best box to box midfielders I have had the pleasure to see, especially modern day, but he is past it, we lose complete balance in the team when he plays, other players are stretched far too much. I will be absolutely surprised If he is a regular starter next season, his engine is knackered and needs a total overall (overall being a more mundane league that doesn't require the same intensity)

I'm not the least bit blinkered: I know exactly what Yaya's strengths and weaknesses are and what he does and doesn't bring to the team. I am also well aware that he is on the wane, which is why I was desperate for us to sign Pogba last summer and have him progressively takeover from Yaya this season. I just don't happen to think he is as spent as some do.

 

[Paulpowersleftfoot]

I think we would get a much more effective Yaya if Pellegrini uses him as an attacking CM for the last 30mins or so off the bench

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

I think we would get a much more effective Yaya if Pellegrini uses him as an attacking CM for the last 30mins or so off the bench

Nail on the head , this is no reflection on what Yaya has contributed to our success , but all good things come to an end , he cannot compete for 90 minutes in the Premier League with opponents like Leicester ,Dippers,Spuds,etc employing a high pressing game. Still a big part of the squad and capable of scoring and creating vital match winning goals.

 

[Rolee]

Nail on the head , this is no reflection on what Yaya has contributed to our success , but all good things come to an end , he cannot compete for 90 minutes in the Premier League with opponents like Leicester ,Dippers,Spuds,etc employing a high pressing game. Still a big part of the squad and capable of scoring and creating vital match winning goals.

In regards opposition using a high press, is it not more beneficial to have your technically more proficient players to counter this? The way to beat the press is by passing your way out of it, no?

Fwiw I don't think we look all that more solid defensively when Yaya is not on the pitch but I do think we lose a certain amount of control in general when he isn't.

 

[moorsideblue]

norwich 3-0 palace 4-0 villa 4-0 all with yaya on the bench

could be used as a brilliant impact player last 30 mins deffo

 

[Rolee]

norwich 3-0 palace 4-0 villa 4-0 all with yaya on the bench

could be used as a brilliant impact player last 30 mins deffo

2-0 against Palace when Yaya came on and the goals we scored were rather fortunate tbf. We didn't really have proper control in that one until Yaya start dictating the play when he was introduced.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yaya can still be a crucial player for us this season, as he has always been.

It's the business of randomly chucking him into formations whether he's suited to it on the day or not, which does neither him nor the team any favours. I'd like to think that if we use him at Wembley for instance, we don't have him & Silva jogging around between two wingers & Aguero, whilst Fernandinho holds the fort vs 6 Liverpool midfielders.

If we are going to use Yaya, use him sensibly & cover for him. If we did that he could go on for years imo, but his agent will put a stop to that anyhow.

 

[moorsideblue]

2-0 against Palace when Yaya came on and the goals we scored were rather fortunate tbf. We didn't really have proper control in that one until Yaya start dictating the play when he was introduced.

exactly my point, impact player for the last half hour

 

[uwe rosler 28]

If we play in the champions lge without him we will get taught a lesson in how to keep the football non of our other midfielders can pass/keep the ball like him.

 

[Rolee]

exactly my point, impact player for the last half hour

Can I ask mate did you think we looked any more solid defensively in that game without Yaya on the pitch?

 

[BlueAnorak]

If we play in the champions lge without him we will get taught a lesson in how to keep the football non of our other midfielders can pass/keep the ball like him.

On the contrary, if we play YaYa in a defensive 2 we will get beat as:
(1) The good teams exploit the space he occasionally leaves behind him; AND
(2) The opposition overload on our defence if he is caught forward and he fails to pick up a runner going up to join the opposition defence.
Now - if we play with a defensive 3 this isn't too bad but with a 2 it's stuffed us so many times I've lost count.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

On the contrary, if we play YaYa in a defensive 2 we will get beat as:
(1) The good teams exploit the space he occasionally leaves behind him; AND
(2) The opposition overload on our defence if he is caught forward and he fails to pick up a runner going up to join the opposition defence.
Now - if we play with a defensive 3 this isn't too bad but with a 2 it's stuffed us so many times I've lost count.

Agree but we won't go in with a 2 in Europe now!

 

[Rolee]

On the contrary, if we play YaYa in a defensive 2 we will get beat as:
(1) The good teams exploit the space he occasionally leaves behind him; AND
(2) The opposition overload on our defence if he is caught forward and he fails to pick up a runner going up to join the opposition defence.
Now - if we play with a defensive 3 this isn't too bad but with a 2 it's stuffed us so many times I've lost count.

He's not playing in a defensive two, we don't play with a defensive two, we haven't since 2010/11 under Mancini.

 

[fatbloke]

Try understanding what each stat means, son.

Please feel free to explain because I reckon 95% of us here won't have a clue what "ball recoveries" mean if it doesn't include interceptions and tackles. Unless its picking up the ball after someone else has made a tackle I'm out of ideas.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Nobody seems to mention that our worst midfield performance was Stoke away when Yaya didn't even play. The same problems as when he did, overran, outworked.

I actually think we probably should try Fernandinho and Delph in a 2, but I also think blaming all of our midfield problems on Yaya is short sighted. Fernando is a much bigger problem in my view.