Loaning players to Celtic

Some fair points but have to disagree on you saying it works for Celtic.
Take last year for example they had a settled defensive pairing of Van Dijk and Denayer,come summer they got a offer from Southampton for Dijk that they couldn't refuse and we recalled Denayer,so they started the season with a makeshift defence and flopped in champs league qualifiers which is still causing ructions at the club.
I know some Celtic fans who would much prefer the club to bring through prospects and stick with them as domestic domination is guaranteed anyway.
I have a feeling Roberts move will benefit neither party in the long run.
They always knew Denayer was 12 months only and Van Dijk was being sniffed after before the season started so that was entirely down to Celtic not preparing for the change. All fans want the club to bring through their own players but if the quality isn't there then what can they do? Celtic can't afford the facilities that we have.

I think the move is perfect for all parties given that it's for 18 months.
 
Good post while I think the relationship with Celtic can be beneficial for both clubs we will be sending out a player on loan that will become the most expensive player in the Scottish league.
I would have thot that this was most certainly not the original plan and that he perhaps has not lived up to expectation.For the fee involved and the standard of player we would have been expecting this stage should have been by-passed and if he was going on loan it should have been to a higher technical standard.
Don't think this does Scottish football any favours either as Celtic already have a massive financial advantage and being able to take on loan a player of Roberts value makes the imbalance even greater.
No point in answering most of this since @Rolee posted this immediately prior (probably at the same time) to yours which is correct:

@EsteemedKompany: Little tit-bit... Roberts was meant to go on loan abroad immediately, but impressed MP a lot so he wanted a closer look for six months

I believe the initial fee was £2million ( with add ons )which isn't all that expensive, relatively speaking.
 
Is it just me who can't see how it can help to develop young improving players?

Stupid Stupid deal, 18 month loan wtaf!
Paid 12M for him and he's on 25,000 a week.
Are Septc paying that 25,000 a week? Putting him on same wages as Sloth Brown.
What if Guardiola wanted him, disgusted by this transfer.
Not to mention the terrible human lessons he will learn and exposure to bigots

Yes i'm not happy about this loan move!
 
When was the last time a longer-term (12 months or more) loan at a Championship or League One club worked out for someone?
 
I would imagine that the length of the loan is as such to placate Celtic and to assure Roberts that he is guaranteed game time, so in that respect it needs to be considered less myopically; our fortunes in the next eighteen months will not turn on his development. That said, should Celtic dispense with Deila, then I would trust that the terms of the agreement are written in such a way that the player's return can be expedited.
 
Good post while I think the relationship with Celtic can be beneficial for both clubs we will be sending out a player on loan that will become the most expensive player in the Scottish league.
I would have thot that this was most certainly not the original plan and that he perhaps has not lived up to expectation.For the fee involved and the standard of player we would have been expecting this stage should have been by-passed and if he was going on loan it should have been to a higher technical standard.
Don't think this does Scottish football any favours either as Celtic already have a massive financial advantage and being able to take on loan a player of Roberts value makes the imbalance even greater.

Nail on the head as an Aberdeen fan it's absolutely sickening.
His weekly wage (£25,000) is higher than the entire Aberdeen squad weekly wage summed (£22,500)

Aye you probably going to say boo hoo but it ain't very fair is it?
ANd folk wonder why most people in Scotland non Old Firm affiliated think Scottish football is better without Celtic and Rangers
 
Stupid Stupid deal, 18 month loan wtaf!
Paid 12M for him and he's on 25,000 a week.
Are Septc paying that 25,000 a week? Putting him on same wages as Sloth Brown.
What if Guardiola wanted him, disgusted by this transfer.
Not to mention the terrible human lessons he will learn and exposure to bigots

Yes i'm not happy about this loan move!

We didn't pay £12million for him.
 
@EsteemedKompany: Little tit-bit... Roberts was meant to go on loan abroad immediately, but impressed MP a lot so he wanted a closer look for six months

I believe the initial fee was £2million ( with add ons )which isn't all that expensive, relatively speaking.

Do you mean the Daily Mirrors £12m fee , is wrong , surely not
 
Not a great career move really. Celtic are shit....... Aberdeen are shit......as are the rest. How's he going to progress ?
 
Stupid Stupid deal, 18 month loan wtaf!
Paid 12M for him and he's on 25,000 a week.
Are Septc paying that 25,000 a week? Putting him on same wages as Sloth Brown.
What if Guardiola wanted him, disgusted by this transfer.
Not to mention the terrible human lessons he will learn and exposure to bigots

Yes i'm not happy about this loan move!
Not a fan of either Rangers or Celtic but fucking hell give it a rest
 
I'd be very surprised if there isn't a clause for both clubs to end this deal in the summer, Pep will have been in on it, being at Celtic, means we can keep a closer eye on how he's doing.

So much negativity still around, its amazing. As a City supporter, I couldn't care less about whether its good for scottish football or not, so long as it suits our club and player.
 
Nail on the head as an Aberdeen fan it's absolutely sickening.
His weekly wage (£25,000) is higher than the entire Aberdeen squad weekly wage summed (£22,500)

Aye you probably going to say boo hoo but it ain't very fair is it?
ANd folk wonder why most people in Scotland non Old Firm affiliated think Scottish football is better without Celtic and Rangers
Would you have been happy if we'd loaned him to Aberdeen? (now that would have been a dumb loan)
 
Not a fan of either Rangers or Celtic but fucking hell give it a rest
Stupid Stupid deal, 18 month loan wtaf!
Paid 12M for him and he's on 25,000 a week.
Are Septc paying that 25,000 a week? Putting him on same wages as Sloth Brown.
What if Guardiola wanted him, disgusted by this transfer.
Not to mention the terrible human lessons he will learn and exposure to bigots

Yes i'm not happy about this loan move!

You forgot the stench from the stands, the club had to write to season ticket holders because of the pong, the manky mob in all their gory.
 
Nail on the head as an Aberdeen fan it's absolutely sickening.
His weekly wage (£25,000) is higher than the entire Aberdeen squad weekly wage summed (£22,500)

Aye you probably going to say boo hoo but it ain't very fair is it?
ANd folk wonder why most people in Scotland non Old Firm affiliated think Scottish football is better without Celtic and Rangers

Aberdeen fan?

Sort your head out, two clubs and that? Bizarre.

Support your local club and exit City bandwagon at stage left.
 
They always knew Denayer was 12 months only and Van Dijk was being sniffed after before the season started so that was entirely down to Celtic not preparing for the change. All fans want the club to bring through their own players but if the quality isn't there then what can they do? Celtic can't afford the facilities that we have.

I think the move is perfect for all parties given that it's for 18 months.
You're missing the whole point of what I'm saying.Yes Celtic knew they were probably going to lose both players hence why the fans are upset as they would have preferred developing players who may or may not show a loyalty to the club.
Having saw the pair on a number of occasions they absolutely strolled through games and I would guess anyone playing sport at a decent level will tell you, you learn more playing against better players than you do against inferior ones.
My opinion is Denayer
returned having learned little or nothing from his spell at Celtic park and so City havnt gained anything out of it,Denayer didn't gain anything,Celtic won the league which they would have won anyway but had their defence dismantled,and the rest of the Scottish clubs were screwed by a unfair loan system.
Can't see to many positives here.
As to your next post clearly pellers has had a good look at him and isn't that impressed hence why he's gone to Celtic and not a higher standard.
As regards the fee I could be wrong on this but my understanding of the deal was £5M up front and around £6M in ad-ons.
 
The chance at european football pretty much every season is a big plus for such an easy local loan option, and our youngsters are likely to get in the match day squad at least, but im not sure this plus point alone can outweigh the pointlessness of loaning into such a lopsided league.

Would prefer a top championship side or a decent side abroad
 
Would you have been happy if we'd loaned him to Aberdeen? (now that would have been a dumb loan)

no as he wouldn't have developed sufficiently as a player at Aberdeen, I would have preferred him to stay at City or move to Spain so he could grasp the Spanish language and improve himself as a player
 

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