It's not Pellers..It's not even the team..

I agree to a point with this, for me though the problems stem more from who has been injured rather than the numbers.

Kompany has been a big miss for us this year as has Nasri, however MDM and Yaya always appear to be fit but neither is up to the job at present.

To be fair, if we had a full squad to choose from yesterday i thing we may well have seen a different match.
 
Damocles said:
Team cohesion is a coachable trait though, and in a squad that the bulk of have been together for 5 years shouldn't be too much of an issue. Playing Negredo when we're up by 6 goals away at West Ham or Aguero half fit against Blackburn at Ewood or playing an injured Silva against Everton is a little more questionable than team cohesion in terms of how it has affected our season
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Although I agree somewhat, we have a number of new players this season and players who have had to play more than previously (Sagna, for example).

I'll always go back to the time Aguero played 90 mins in the FA Cup against Watford and then surprise, he gets injured next match vs Spurs.
 
Injuries are a factor that can't be ignored. As well as losing playing staff the increase in game time for the remaining squad members must cause fatigue over the season, increase the risk of further injury and make a difference to continuity. The thing that struck me both in the Sunderland game and yesterday was how immobile we looked. Almost lethargic.Some fans construe that as lack of effort but perhaps the squad is just 'running on empty'
I know nothing about sport science so can't say if this is bad luck or bad management. It will make interesting viewing over the next spell of games. Are we shot or is it recoverable? If the same energy levels are present against Spuds we will lose unless we adapt our tactics to take account of the sqaud shortages/injuries.
 
Blue Tooth said:
Injuries are a factor that can't be ignored. As well as losing playing staff the increase in game time for the remaining squad members must cause fatigue over the season, increase the risk of further injury and make a difference to continuity. The thing that struck me both in the Sunderland game and yesterday was how immobile we looked. Almost lethargic.Some fans construe that as lack of effort but perhaps the squad is just 'running on empty'
I know nothing about sport science so can't say if this is bad luck or bad management. It will make interesting viewing over the next spell of games. Are we shot or is it recoverable? If the same energy levels are present against Spuds we will lose unless we adapt our tactics to take account of the sqaud shortages/injuries.
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They have 8 days to rest for Spurs. Training should be light only and all the work this week should be around how we should play them and the tactics around this. I very much doubt it will be though.
 
Injuries haven't helped but our team falls apart like no other when 1-2 key players are missing. This is because our manager is completely inflexible tactically.
 
abu13 said:
I agree to a point with this, for me though the problems stem more from who has been injured rather than the numbers.

Kompany has been a big miss for us this year as has Nasri, however MDM and Yaya always appear to be fit but neither is up to the job at present.

To be fair, if we had a full squad to choose from yesterday i thing we may well have seen a different match.
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Having Nasri, KDB, Silva and Navas all injured at the same time, as is now the case, is very unhelpful. There were times yesterday when I bemoaned the absence of both Nasri and Bony. And VK and EM would have been my starting CB's yesterday.
 
Pellegrini is still playing as tho we have a full strength team out there so either way it's his fault.
 
I agreed. De Bruyne has replaced Silva as the core of our attack. He s the brain of the team.

And Kompany is irreplaceable too.

I regret we sold Micah. He s our luck charm.

Against a packed resolute defence like them, you always need some luck.
 
LHarper said:
Although I agree somewhat, we have a number of new players this season and players who have had to play more than previously (Sagna, for example).

I'll always go back to the time Aguero played 90 mins in the FA Cup against Watford and then surprise, he gets injured next match vs Spurs.
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Negredo has always been my sore spot. That West Ham away match where we were about 6-0 up on aggregate going into it in the League Cup. That's the match where he injured his shoulder and completely dropped all of his form, never recovered and eventually left the club because of it.

Also a cup game where he brought on Scott Sinclair and Frank Lampard when 3-1 up with 20 minutes to go when we had a young winger and midfielder on the bench. I went fucking apeshit during that match.
 
OB1 said:
Having Nasri, KDB, Silva and Navas all injured at the same time, as is now the case, is very unhelpful. There were times yesterday when I bemoaned the absence of both Nasri and Bony. And VK and EM would have been my starting CB's yesterday.
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I agree completely.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
They have 8 days to rest for Spurs. Training should be light only and all the work this week should be around how we should play them and the tactics around this. I very much doubt it will be though.
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Time will tell. I suspect you are right though and we will set up as usual, unless yesterday's showing might have caused a rethink at management level. Whilst 8 days to recover is a positive, I am concerned that the overall level of fatigue can't be rested out of their legs, but like I said I am no sport scientist but I really think we look knackered
 
ninjamonkey said:
Injuries haven't helped but our team falls apart like no other when 1-2 key players are missing. This is because our manager is completely inflexible tactically.
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But he's not completely inflexible tactically so why say that?

The formation, team selection and performance were quite different at Villa as compared to yesterday.

Also, the team falling apart, as you put it, when key players are absent goes back to the days before Pellegrini.
 
OB1 said:
I still think he is very stubborn and he thinks we should stick to playing our way. I think he has been too stubborn for too long in this regard but I hope he ends up proving me and others wrong in that regard. Me, I'd go back to basics and shut up shop; make clean sheets the focus and see if we can't actually entice our opponents into giving us a bit more space to counter-attack into.
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I would be happy to see that but I'm not sure we would even need to change a great deal. We already play a kind of 442ish system quite often & also the 4231 thing, which is not that different to anyone else as a starting point. Just balance it & tighten it up a bit perhaps, like everyone else tries to do ?

Just actually take into account that the opponent has been working all week on a plan to stop us & how best to hurt us & show them the same respect.

I can't believe that anyone watching the games v Leicester & Liverpool for example, could spot any tactic by Pellegrini which took the opposition into account at all. Even in team selection. I noticed you mentioned reading about Pep, it's pretty clear he would be almost fanatical about doing the opposite of Pellegrini yet still his team would attack, so the two are not exclusive.

Can we not just try to tighten it up a bit & block the main threat of our opponent?
 
Blue Tooth said:
Time will tell. I suspect you are right though and we will set up as usual, unless yesterday's showing might have caused a rethink at management level. Whilst 8 days to recover is a positive, I am concerned that the overall level of fatigue can't be rested out of their legs, but like I said I am no sport scientist but I really think we look knackered
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Yesterday was the 4th game in 10 days for some of the players so I think it will help. We did look knackered yesterday though. However we weren't tired in the first 3 minutes so conceding a sloppy goal like that didn't help.
 
OB1 said:
But he's not completely inflexible tactically so why say that?

The formation, team selection and performance were quite different at Villa as compared to yesterday.

Also, the team falling apart, as you put it, when key players are absent goes back to the days before Pellegrini.
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Spot on. They went missing for Bob and let him down and they are doing so again now.

An utterly ruthless summer window is required.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I would be happy to see that but I'm not sure we would even need to change a great deal. We already play a kind of 442ish system quite often & also the 4231 thing, which is not that different to anyone else as a starting point. Just balance it & tighten it up a bit perhaps, like everyone else tries to do ?

Just actually take into account that the opponent has been working all week on a plan to stop us & how best to hurt us & show them the same respect.

I can't believe that anyone watching the games v Leicester & Liverpool for example, could spot any tactic by Pellegrini which took the opposition into account at all. Even in team selection. I noticed you mentioned reading about Pep, it's pretty clear he would be almost fanatical about doing the opposite of Pellegrini yet still his team would attack, so the two are not exclusive.

Can we not just try to tighten it up a bit & block the main threat of our opponent?
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What is already interesting in stuff I have read about Pep is he is all about "attack, attack, attack" but he focuses hugely on defending in training; although I'm sure I read ages back somehting about Pellers spending more time on defending in training than attacking. The reason in both cases would be that you need to do that to allow the team to attack.

Pep spent a lot of time looking at how teams in Germany counter-attacked so that he could train his team on how to be ready to deal with that when one of their attacks broke down. I must confess it is not obvious that Pellers does that. What is certain is that Pellers does not have Pep's obssessive approach to analysing his opponents and devising ways to demolish them. He does though do things to take account of the opposition. Yesterday, I think he put Delph wide to help Kolarov but it immediately failed. I would have had Delph central and gone 4-1-4-1 but l am just a guy in the stands...
 
blueinsa said:
Spot on. They went missing for Bob and let him down and they are doing so again now.

An utterly ruthless summer window is required.
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One reason I have given Pellers more slack than most is because I think he has too many players that are mentally flawed and I think there have been limits beyond his control on changing the squad as much as it requires. I think change is a comin' big time - I hope so. The only players that I wouldn't consider binning in the summer are Hart and Aguero and maybe KDB. I am ignoring kids like Nacho here.
 
OB1 said:
What is already interesting in stuff I have read about Pep is he is all about "attack, attack, attack" but he focuses hugely on defending in training; although I'm sure I read ages back somehting about Pellers spending more time on defending in training than attacking. The reason in both cases would be that you need to do that to allow the team to attack.

Pep spent a lot of time looking at how teams in Germany counter-attacked so that he could train his team on how to be ready to deal with that when one of their attacks broke down. I must confess it is not obvious that Pellers does that. What is certain is that Pellers does not have Pep's obssessive approach to analysing his opponents and devising ways to demolish them. He does though do things to take account of the opposition. Yesterday, I think he put Delph wide to help Kolarov but it immediately failed. I would have had Delph central and gone 4-1-4-1 but l am just a guy in the stands...
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I think there were about 50k other guys in the stands who would have preferred your idea.
 
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