Willy has to play in the Final

[FantasyIreland]

Haha.....Somehow this thread has reached 21 pages and developed into serious discussion,something the OP didn't intend.

 

[kaz7]

Thing is Karen, we want this trophy on Sunday and it would really hurt if we came home empty handed. If he doesn't put out his best team then it's abit of a slap In the face to those who really want this and those who are spending what little they have to go and support them

I do really feel for all of you who are going after the Wigan debacle,we can only hope he sets us up to win a big game for a change

 

[SWP's back]

Yet another thread slating Pellegrini. It does become a bit tiresome in every thread.
Before he came here he was perceived as some sort of master tactician. Solid defensively and often using a 4-2-2-2 system with wide full backs, a solid back 2 and a wide man who often cuts inside.
In five years at Villarreal the philosophy served him well as he took a club from a town with a population of just 45,000 to the Champions League semi-finals in 2006.
In 2008 they finished above Barcelona.
In 2009 he went to Madrid with Raul and Guti messing everyone about then gets Benzema and Kaka parachuted in and sees Ronaldo out for 6 weeks. A lucky manager he most certainly isn't.
He then goes to Malaga and oversees the only second debutant team to make the last 8 of the CL. The first was in 2006. Villarreal, as managed by Pellegrini. Malaga were a very dodgy decision away from the CL semi final.
When he arrived at Málaga Pellegrini outlined his ideas to World Soccer: "to be attacking, to try to take control of the game, to take responsibility, to be attractive. There are small differences of course, depending on what players you have, but there is a footballing concept and a concept of spectacle that is non‑negotiable."
Like Villarreal, Málaga wanted possession, playing out from deep and pushing high to win the ball. Their wide men, interiores rather than exteriores, came inside to create a numerical advantage in the middle of the pitch. In the absence of Cazorla, players at opposite ends of their careers, Isco and Joaquín, took on greater creative responsibility: both have been superb. Every training session is based around the ball and Pellegrini listens to his players. Yet those who have worked with him suggest that he is far tougher than his elegant, well-mannered public persona suggests.
Sometimes I do wonder whether the players get off a little to easily. I note people hoping he goes to Chelsea. I hope not. They currently have players far better suited to playing his way than our players are.
I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he obviously has but I do sometimes wonder about the level of criticism which frankly borders on the absurd.

To be fair I don't give a fuck what he did with Villareal.

I care about him destroying our season which he is doing. Playing Willy would just further lessen our chances.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Willy must NEVER play for his club again. If the choice is between him or Angus Gunn, the kid gets my vote.

 

[paulchapo]

Cocoa the clown may make a couple of half decent saves in a game but he will always be all over the place as well and likely to drop a couple of bollocks too costing goals against us. He inspires absolutely no confidence at all standing between those posts,I don't care how good he was in Spain on the whole he has been fucking shit for us and I hope is gone at the end of the season. Pellegrini has to stop being holistic now and be totally ruthless and try and salvage this stop and start season starting this Sunday with a trophy!

 

[baildon blue]

Yet another thread slating Pellegrini. It does become a bit tiresome in every thread.
Before he came here he was perceived as some sort of master tactician. Solid defensively and often using a 4-2-2-2 system with wide full backs, a solid back 2 and a wide man who often cuts inside.
In five years at Villarreal the philosophy served him well as he took a club from a town with a population of just 45,000 to the Champions League semi-finals in 2006.
In 2008 they finished above Barcelona.
In 2009 he went to Madrid with Raul and Guti messing everyone about then gets Benzema and Kaka parachuted in and sees Ronaldo out for 6 weeks. A lucky manager he most certainly isn't.
He then goes to Malaga and oversees the only second debutant team to make the last 8 of the CL. The first was in 2006. Villarreal, as managed by Pellegrini. Malaga were a very dodgy decision away from the CL semi final.
When he arrived at Málaga Pellegrini outlined his ideas to World Soccer: "to be attacking, to try to take control of the game, to take responsibility, to be attractive. There are small differences of course, depending on what players you have, but there is a footballing concept and a concept of spectacle that is non‑negotiable."
Like Villarreal, Málaga wanted possession, playing out from deep and pushing high to win the ball. Their wide men, interiores rather than exteriores, came inside to create a numerical advantage in the middle of the pitch. In the absence of Cazorla, players at opposite ends of their careers, Isco and Joaquín, took on greater creative responsibility: both have been superb. Every training session is based around the ball and Pellegrini listens to his players. Yet those who have worked with him suggest that he is far tougher than his elegant, well-mannered public persona suggests.
Sometimes I do wonder whether the players get off a little to easily. I note people hoping he goes to Chelsea. I hope not. They currently have players far better suited to playing his way than our players are.
I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he obviously has but I do sometimes wonder about the level of criticism which frankly borders on the absurd.

Nice to know you like Pellegrini .

He might not be a lucky manager .

But he sure his a second rate manager .

With rubbish tactics and awful formations .

 

[Father Paul]

Yet another thread slating Pellegrini. It does become a bit tiresome in every thread.
Before he came here he was perceived as some sort of master tactician. Solid defensively and often using a 4-2-2-2 system with wide full backs, a solid back 2 and a wide man who often cuts inside.
In five years at Villarreal the philosophy served him well as he took a club from a town with a population of just 45,000 to the Champions League semi-finals in 2006.
In 2008 they finished above Barcelona.
In 2009 he went to Madrid with Raul and Guti messing everyone about then gets Benzema and Kaka parachuted in and sees Ronaldo out for 6 weeks. A lucky manager he most certainly isn't.
He then goes to Malaga and oversees the only second debutant team to make the last 8 of the CL. The first was in 2006. Villarreal, as managed by Pellegrini. Malaga were a very dodgy decision away from the CL semi final.
When he arrived at Málaga Pellegrini outlined his ideas to World Soccer: "to be attacking, to try to take control of the game, to take responsibility, to be attractive. There are small differences of course, depending on what players you have, but there is a footballing concept and a concept of spectacle that is non‑negotiable."
Like Villarreal, Málaga wanted possession, playing out from deep and pushing high to win the ball. Their wide men, interiores rather than exteriores, came inside to create a numerical advantage in the middle of the pitch. In the absence of Cazorla, players at opposite ends of their careers, Isco and Joaquín, took on greater creative responsibility: both have been superb. Every training session is based around the ball and Pellegrini listens to his players. Yet those who have worked with him suggest that he is far tougher than his elegant, well-mannered public persona suggests.
Sometimes I do wonder whether the players get off a little to easily. I note people hoping he goes to Chelsea. I hope not. They currently have players far better suited to playing his way than our players are.
I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he obviously has but I do sometimes wonder about the level of criticism which frankly borders on the absurd.

Agree some of the stuff is a bit much. He does have a good CV including the first season here. But after an indifferent season last year he appears -leaving genuine excuse of injuries aside- to have butchered a great opportunity to win a weak league which may not come around again soon. But hey if the team has a big month he may well silence the critics once and for all. I don't think he will but.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Yet another thread slating Pellegrini. It does become a bit tiresome in every thread.
Before he came here he was perceived as some sort of master tactician. Solid defensively and often using a 4-2-2-2 system with wide full backs, a solid back 2 and a wide man who often cuts inside.
In five years at Villarreal the philosophy served him well as he took a club from a town with a population of just 45,000 to the Champions League semi-finals in 2006.
In 2008 they finished above Barcelona.
In 2009 he went to Madrid with Raul and Guti messing everyone about then gets Benzema and Kaka parachuted in and sees Ronaldo out for 6 weeks. A lucky manager he most certainly isn't.
He then goes to Malaga and oversees the only second debutant team to make the last 8 of the CL. The first was in 2006. Villarreal, as managed by Pellegrini. Malaga were a very dodgy decision away from the CL semi final.
When he arrived at Málaga Pellegrini outlined his ideas to World Soccer: "to be attacking, to try to take control of the game, to take responsibility, to be attractive. There are small differences of course, depending on what players you have, but there is a footballing concept and a concept of spectacle that is non‑negotiable."
Like Villarreal, Málaga wanted possession, playing out from deep and pushing high to win the ball. Their wide men, interiores rather than exteriores, came inside to create a numerical advantage in the middle of the pitch. In the absence of Cazorla, players at opposite ends of their careers, Isco and Joaquín, took on greater creative responsibility: both have been superb. Every training session is based around the ball and Pellegrini listens to his players. Yet those who have worked with him suggest that he is far tougher than his elegant, well-mannered public persona suggests.
Sometimes I do wonder whether the players get off a little to easily. I note people hoping he goes to Chelsea. I hope not. They currently have players far better suited to playing his way than our players are.
I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he obviously has but I do sometimes wonder about the level of criticism which frankly borders on the absurd.

Yesterday's goals do not win today's match.

In his recent history he has shown himself up to be someone who gets far too many things wrong with formations and tactics and does not, to anywhere near the degree he should, prepare his team for the different games and different teams who employ different tactics and different styles of play we see from week-to-week. Simple as that. There's no sugar coating it with anything he did ten years ago at Villarreal or how unlucky he was after spending £250m in one window at Madrid or what he did three or four years ago at Malaga...last season and this season he's got far too much wrong!

 

[Sergio Picasso Aguero]

Logically Joe would play but Pellers loves Willy.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I bet Chelsea fans cannot wait to get this tactical genius you describe.

But could it just be that the players aren't quite as good as we think they are? We've all thought the squad has been great for 4-5 years. It's won two cups and to last day league titles. After all those years in the wilderness it's been fantastic, but if they're half as good as people think why have they not won it more easily?
Under Bob, supposedly much more savvy defensively, we were absolutely shocking in Europe. I'm not stating 'facts' just a couple of alternate opinions. I also think that Guardiola is probably a significant uplift but, if he gets through the Kiev tie, he will have made CL quarter finals with 3 different clubs. Disciplined, hard working, talented players who can follow instructions? Doesn't sound like our lads does it? You can laugh all you like, but I would much prefer him to not go anywhere near Chelsea next season, where he could easily become the first man to win the PL with two different clubs.

 

[Father Paul]

I think it is almost certain that Willy will be gone in the summer

 

[didactic]

I don't think the manager is to blame for the defending I mean we have over £100 million in defenders and cannot beat Leicester, stop a set play or score from a corner? At some point player responsibility comes into it. I do blame him for choosing an inept second keeper when we could have had a pick of some real gems.

I have come to two conclusions either Willy is simply not good enough or he is pawn for some dubious betting syndicate.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Haha.....Somehow this thread has reached 21 pages and developed into serious discussion,something the OP didn't intend.

I was open to suggestions!!

A lot of the thread has been about Joe being a better keeper than Willy. We all know that. Willy should play because he has helped to get us to Wembley and Pellers has promised him his starting place!

 

[Deleted member 58678]

I don't think the manager is to blame for the defending I mean we have over £100 million in defenders and cannot beat Leicester, stop a set play or score from a corner? At some point player responsibility comes into it. I do blame him for choosing an inept second keeper when we could have had a pick of some real gems.

I have come to two conclusions either Willy is simply not good enough or he is pawn for some dubious betting syndicate.

But there is a distinct lack of organisation week-after-week and a distinct lack of understanding of what job each player is supposed to be doing and what jobs the players just to their right and left and just in front and just behind should be doing. This is what is leading to all these individual errors all the time. It's not just individuals doing the wrong things, it's a collective lack of preparation and understanding of roles across the whole squad leading from the manager.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I think it is almost certain that Willy will be gone in the summer

Valdes is nailed on to join our squad in the Summer. The rags will no doubt demand a transfer fee because it's us who want him!

I am hoping we go all out with a big big for DDG!

 

[Lancet Fluke]

But could it just be that the players aren't quite as good as we think they are? We've all thought the squad has been great for 4-5 years. It's won two cups and to last day league titles. After all those years in the wilderness it's been fantastic, but if they're half as good as people think why have they not won it more easily?
Under Bob, supposedly much more savvy defensively, we were absolutely shocking in Europe. I'm not stating 'facts' just a couple of alternate opinions. I also think that Guardiola is probably a significant uplift but, if he gets through the Kiev tie, he will have made CL quarter finals with 3 different clubs. Disciplined, hard working, talented players who can follow instructions? Doesn't sound like our lads does it? You can laugh all you like, but I would much prefer him to not go anywhere near Chelsea next season, where he could easily become the first man to win the PL with two different clubs.

I think the squad is decent enough, one or two areas are lacking but I'd say it's comfortably the best in this country. I think we will find out in the next couple of years exactly how badly pellegrini has underperformed with a very good squad of players because I think we will win the league comfortably next season with guardiola assuming he can sort out Pellegrini's ridiculous defensive mess over the summer. Mancini improved Hughes' defensive mess noticeably within a few weeks so I'm hopeful.

 

[didactic]

But there is a distinct lack of organisation week-after-week and a distinct lack of understanding of what job each player is supposed to be doing and what jobs the players just to their right and left and just in front and just behind should be doing. This is what is leading to all these individual errors all the time. It's not just individuals doing the wrong things, it's a collective lack of preparation and understanding of roles across the whole squad leading from the manager.

But if you have defended for over a year at a professional level you should be able to head a bsll, tackle a player without commiting a foul and just know basic positional play? These are national team players who were embarrassed by teenagers. The youth showed more guts than these vet, that is not the managers responsibility.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I think the squad is decent enough, one or two areas are lacking but I'd say it's comfortably the best in this country. I think we will find out in the next couple of years exactly how badly pellegrini has underperformed with a very good squad of players because I think we will win the league comfortably next season with guardiola assuming he can sort out Pellegrini's ridiculous defensive mess over the summer. Mancini improved Hughes' defensive mess noticeably within a few weeks so I'm hopeful.

And you could well be right. I just think they've underachieved for four years, if they're as good as we all think. It would be interesting if Pep comes and very few players leave, whether we vastly improve.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I've defended Caballero in the past but there's no way he can play on Sunday.

He will of course.

Because Pellegrini.

 

[Shaelumstash]

I was open to suggestions!!

A lot of the thread has been about Joe being a better keeper than Willy. We all know that. Willy should play because he has helped to get us to Wembley and Pellers has promised him his starting place!

No room for sentiment in football. He should out the wishes of the 30k City fans spending hundreds of pounds to attend the final, and the millions around the world, over the fragile ego of one player who is clearly nowhere near the required standard.

Willy may well be upset if he doesn't play, but there will be thousands, if not millions of fans who will be upset if he does.