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cibaman said:
Didn't Begristain say that the manager can play whatever formation he likes as long as its basically attacking football?

They use 433 at the junior levels primarily because they believe that system best aids their development.
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Yes, Txiki did use words to that effect in response to the question as to where his preferred 433 had got to, which again lessens the protestations that Txiki is pulling Manuel's strings.

My 9 year old has just come back from a week long pupil exchange in Spain. He's a keen footballer and said his school took part in a mini tournament whilst out there and I was surprised when he told me what happened.

He said whilst his school were putting the emphasis on scoring goals and winning, the Spanish kids just passed them to death using skill and technique and DIDN'T seem that bothered about the results. This is what I believe we are trying to cultivate using 433 at the CFA and the only level where 433 isn't a standard benchmark is with the first team, but yet some would have us believe that Manuel is just a glove puppet with Txiki's hand up his arse making him coach, pick the squad, the formation and tactics to his liking.

Like I said, if this were the case, why didn't Barca play 442 like Manuel does and prefers?
 
Dribble said:
Whoa, calm down tiger........ :-)

So cutting your long post short, you're basically saying Manuel was offered the City job because he's an obedient 60-odd year old lap dog who knew his place and because of his age should have just been grateful for the opportunity to manage City?

In regards to Mourinho, I think what concerned Txiki was Mourinho's character:



In short Mourinho's a dick and not worth the hassle.

As for Txiki's influence, its all about degrees. The club wanted football based on the Barca model and to play 433. On what planet do you think our style of play has resembled Barca's since Manuel has been here, especially as you claim we've bought players to suit that style and not Pellegrini's and Txiki has been pulling Manuel's strings?

You mentioned how Manuel set up Villareal. If he wanted to, he has enough players at City to replicate that formation and style here but has chosen not to. Are you claiming with ITK certainty this is because of Txiki's influence over Manuel?

And again if Txiki is pulling his manager's strings, why didn't Barca play 442 during Txiki's time there?
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I've seen the quotes from the then Barcelona director saying that they'd which included Txiki did indeed consider Mourinho too much hassle.
Their main concern, in their meeting with him in Lisbon I think that Mourinho just spoke for 90% of the meeting and wouldn't listen.
They decided he wasn't for them as they could work with him. One of the main reasons, he wanted too much control. Also he was an egotistical megalomaniac.

With regards recruitment and style of play. I've literally no idea what's going on. We are buying players that suit neither manager.
This is my point.
The signings of Sterling & De Bruyne are both individually fine. Together they don't make sense.
I think Txiki is influencing recruitment, I didn't think there was an arguement to this. I thought this was the entire point of his role.


Can you say with any ITK certainty that Txiki isn't influencing our style of play?
Afterall he's gone on record suggesting he wants a certain type of football and the club went on record saying part of his job was to help build sustained success.

If you don't believe the director of football influences the first team & recruitment, what do you think he actually does?
 
Dribble said:
Yes, Txiki did use words to that effect in response to the question as to where his preferred 433 had got to, which again lessens the protestations that Txiki is pulling Manuel's strings.

My 9 year old has just come back from a week long pupil exchange in Spain. He's a keen footballer and said his school took part in a mini tournament whilst out there and I was surprised when he told me what happened.

He said whilst his school were putting the emphasis on scoring goals and winning, the Spanish kids just passed them to death using skill and technique and DIDN'T seem that bothered about the results. This is what I believe we are trying to cultivate using 433 at the CFA and the only level where 433 isn't a standard benchmark is with the first team, but yet some would have us believe that Manuel is just a glove puppet with Txiki's hand up his arse making him coach, pick the squad, the formation and tactics to his liking.

Like I said, if this were the case, why didn't Barca play 442 like Manuel does and prefers?
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And some would want us to believe the Director of Football has no influence on the first team.
That despite the man himself and the club suggesting otherwise.
 
schfc6 said:
I've seen the quotes from the then Barcelona director saying that they'd which included Txiki did indeed consider Mourinho too much hassle.
Their main concern, in their meeting with him in Lisbon I think that Mourinho just spoke for 90% of the meeting and wouldn't listen.
They decided he wasn't for them as they could work with him. One of the main reasons, he wanted too much control. Also he was an egotistical megalomaniac.

With regards recruitment and style of play. I've literally no idea what's going on. We are buying players that suit neither manager.
This is my point.
The signings of Sterling & De Bruyne are both individually fine. Together they don't make sense.
I think Txiki is influencing recruitment, I didn't think there was an arguement to this. I thought this was the entire point of his role.


Can you say with any ITK certainty that Txiki isn't influencing our style of play?
Afterall he's gone on record suggesting he wants a certain type of football and the club went on record saying part of his job was to help build sustained success.

If you don't believe the director of football influences the first team & recruitment, what do you think he actually does?
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I'm sorry, but Txiki saying we want to play attacking football is different to him influencing what Manuel does in the way I assume you mean it.

If Txiki was to say to Manuel 'Play this player', 'Use this formation' I could understand your point but using 'We want to play attacking football' as evidence of undue influence being applied by Txiki is a bit of a stretch even for you to seriously believe.

Txiki is our DoF and as such it's his job to coordinate player recruitment and apply a playing philosophy on the club, how far this has been done in respect to influencing Manuel is where I think you've got this all wrong imo.

Like I said, show me where Barca ever played 442.........
 
This might be better suited in another thread but watching Bayern last night made me think that if we had played like that with Pellers in charge then he would be getting a right Royal roasting from lots of people today.

They were one dimensional - had possession without doing much with it and seemed unable to change approach through the game to any effect....and playing against a side that had pretty much a 442.

I'm delighted we are getting Pep but think we need to be more realistic that imagining, as some do, that he has a magic alchemy that miraculously transforms sides within a game.
 
Bayblue said:
This might be better suited in another thread but watching Bayern last night made me think that if we had played like that with Pellers in charge then he would be getting a right Royal roasting from lots of people today.

They were one dimensional - had possession without doing much with it and seemed unable to change approach through the game to any effect....and playing against a side that had pretty much a 442.

I'm delighted we are getting Pep but think we need to be more realistic that imagining, as some do, that he has a magic alchemy that miraculously transforms sides within a game.
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Last night showed that football involves an opposition, 11 players and a manager doing everything they can to combat you and beat you.

Far too many on here think they have all the answers and would win every game if the gaffer just did what they want them to.
 
Dribble said:
Isn't that kind of the point of a fan's forum?
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Absolutely it is but its also fair game for some to point out just how wrong we all are most of the time when it comes to talking about what we need to do or what we should have done.

Basically, have your opinion, that's great but accept you may well be wrong some of the time.
 
blueinsa said:
Absolutely it is but its also fair game for some to point out just how wrong we all are most of the time when it comes to talking about what we need to do or what we should have done.

Basically, have your opinion, that's great but accept you may well be wrong some of the time.
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*Most of the time haha
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Spot on!

Plus they claim the formation is the same every week when it changes (even with games)!
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There's a lot of lies told about Pellegrini and a lot of mischaracterisations on this forum - but possibly the worst and the one which shines a light on some of the most ignorant people on this forum, is the notion that he's is a tactical dinosaur.
 
Bayblue said:
This might be better suited in another thread but watching Bayern last night made me think that if we had played like that with Pellers in charge then he would be getting a right Royal roasting from lots of people today.

They were one dimensional - had possession without doing much with it and seemed unable to change approach through the game to any effect....and playing against a side that had pretty much a 442.

I'm delighted we are getting Pep but think we need to be more realistic that imagining, as some do, that he has a magic alchemy that miraculously transforms sides within a game.
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Bayern had a plan that didn't work away in a 2 legged semi against a team who are probably in Europe's top 5. The way Athletico ran and pressed all over was very impressive, but I took a step back and could see Bayern seemed a technical level above Athletico.

The first half of the game is over and it's advantage Athletico, the game is nicely poised for the return match where Bayern will have all the advantages of being the home team. Will this be enough? Personally I don't know because the one team I didn't want us to draw was Athletico and that's not because they're the best team left in the competition, its because they are the team who are hardest to play against.

Athletico are a fucking nightmare to play against and must have some kind of Jungle Warfare style training regime to keep them so fit and effervescent.
 
Dribble said:
Athletico are a fucking nightmare to play against and must have some kind of Jungle Warfare style training regime to keep them so fit and effervescent.
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This lol.

Unbelievable energy and ability to stick to the game plan for the whole 90 mins.

Simeone is either a great motivator or a bully who will give them a hiding if they dont do as they are told.

Effective, certainly but I wouldn't want to watch it every week and he has just got a 3 game ban for throwing a ball on whilst a player was through on goal against them in La Liga, showing he is a cheat who will do anything to win a game of football.

Bayern will have too much for them at home imo.
 
blueinsa said:
Absolutely it is but its also fair game for some to point out just how wrong we all are most of the time when it comes to talking about what we need to do or what we should have done.

Basically, have your opinion, that's great but accept you may well be wrong some of the time.
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Most fans do and opinions is what it's all about. I don't think any fans seriously reckon their club manager makes in game decisions based on what someone says on an internet forum, but having said that, at times it doesn't make some fan's observations and opinions right or wrong either.
 
Anyone see simone throw another ball onto the pitch against malaga as they were attacking in an attempt to stop play.

This guy is what is known as either a maverick or a crank.
 
mayo31 said:
Anyone see simone throw another ball onto the pitch against malaga as they were attacking in an attempt to stop play.

This guy is what is known as either a maverick or a crank.
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Cheat is the word you are looking for.

Mourinho is a master of the dark arts and this guy is taking it to another level.
 
blueinsa said:
This lol.

Unbelievable energy and ability to stick to the game plan for the whole 90 mins.

Simeone is either a great motivator or a bully who will give them a hiding if they dont do as they are told.

Effective, certainly but I wouldn't want to watch it every week and he has just got a 3 game ban for throwing a ball on whilst a player was through on goal against them in La Liga, showing he is a cheat who will do anything to win a game of football.

Bayern will have too much for them at home imo.
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I watched with amusement as Simeone played every ball, made every tackle, fought for every header and pleaded for every foul against Bayern. He never once sat the fuck down and never let up directing his players from the touchline and this must have an effect on his player's mindset.

Like you say, it isn't pretty but it's god damned effective and even the 3 best teams in the world struggle to cope playing against them. Simeone will never leave Athletico as I doubt he'll never get another set of committed playing disciples with the level of skill as he currently has at Athletico.

Added to that, the kid who scored Athletico's goal is something else! Ian Darke claimed reports in Spain are saying that ManUre and Arsenal are monitoring his progress very carefully, based on what I saw last night, I hope we're in the mix too.
 
blueinsa said:
Cheat is the word you are looking for.

Mourinho is a master of the dark arts and this guy is taking it to another level.
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Yeah. Unbelievable stuff that was. Really they should've given Malaga the points and abandoned the match. Simeone has done a top job there but he's the anti-Pep. Not a coach I'd want within a hundred yards of the Etihad!
 
Bayblue said:
This might be better suited in another thread but watching Bayern last night made me think that if we had played like that with Pellers in charge then he would be getting a right Royal roasting from lots of people today.

They were one dimensional - had possession without doing much with it and seemed unable to change approach through the game to any effect....and playing against a side that had pretty much a 442.

I'm delighted we are getting Pep but think we need to be more realistic that imagining, as some do, that he has a magic alchemy that miraculously transforms sides within a game.
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There's no magic tactical solution when a team scores a wonder goal then work tremendously hard in 1/3rd of the pitch. As it was Bayern had the best chances. Sometimes the best teams are frustrated. That's part of the magic of football.
 
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