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Mate I was watching SSN live that day when the news broke and it was about 10 minutes later the journo had the printed statement in his hand wafting it about on live TV. He said it got given out the moment Pellegrini stopped speaking. I don't have any other evidence than that, but I don't need it.
That's good enough for me mate as up until now all I've had is people saying they heard this happened with no-one categorically coming out and saying I saw it. Obviously with the announcement being made at the very end of the new conference on transfer deadline day, it was done to limit its effects as much as possible.

It can't have been easy for Manuel to do this but I fully understand why he wanted to, as doing it any other way could have looked like City had made moves without his knowledge, but this way it looks like he was in the loop which he obviously was. At least he can hold his head high and say for better or for worse, he did it his way until the end.

Here's hoping we get a top 3 finish and win the CL.
 
Why? Because he's a nice guy and was getting paid handsomely to boot.
Money's always a game changer mate! :-)

I recall going to see an Orthodox Jewish client of our company's many years ago and he was tying up a deal with a Muslim customer of his. I jokingly remarked he should have filmed it to show the world Jews and Muslim's could get along and he replied 'My boy, money is a common language that bridges all divides'! Lol
 
Tim of The Oak said he's seen a tweet by Manuel saying the club were aware of what he was going to say. I've looked and can find no such statement or any reports anywhere to support this albeit I'm not casting doubt on the validity of what ToTO said.

It's all a bit menial now tbh as he'll be gone soon anyway, but the reason this won't lie is because some posters are claiming that Manuel was being undermined by City from the beginning because he was only a caretaker manager. The valid point others have raised is how can someone who has a three year contract be classed as a caretaker manager and so in turn be undermined which explains our year on year deteriorating form?

If what they are claiming is true, why did Manuel take such a demeaning job in the first place?


Undermine is a word I've never once used.

I maintain his three years have been influenced by the club's desire for Guardiola though.

The club it's self have made it perfectly clear since the arrival of Txiki & Sorriano that they wanted Pep. I have no problem with that.

I think he's worked in unique circumstances and nobody but Pellegrigrini or his employers can possibly know the full extent of his role.

You'll say 'what's unique about a 3 year deal'?

I'll say, 'name another manager that's signed a 3 year contract whilst the club are already in ongoing negotiations which his replacement'.

We'll round in circles.

But please don't claim I've said Pellegrini's time has been 'undermined' I have not. I believe it's been influenced.

If you and shaelum think we spent £150 million last summer on Pellegrini targets I think you're deluding yourselves. If you do believe Txiki would sanction such investment for a manager who everyone knew was out the door in a year then surely you're concerned with Txiki's competence.

Wasn't De Bruyne's agent quite vocal and positive about the open and honest approach from City as opposed to Bayern. Inferring that De Bruyne signed for us because Pep was coming.

He in no way absolved of all responsibility and has made plenty of mistakes. For me, his unique position is why he's remained in the job.

Here's a very interesting read.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-mastery-of-transition-dignity-and-class.html
 
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Sterling & DeBruyne almost certainly with Pep in mind but with Pellegrini's agreement. Possibly Mangala, being relatively young.

Caballero, Sagna, Demichelis, Bony, Jovetic, Fernando, Navas, Negredo, Fernandinho, Delph, not a chance & very unlikely Otamendi is anything to do with Pep either. All are signings for ' now' not for later.
 
Sterling & DeBruyne almost certainly with Pep in mind but with Pellegrini's agreement. Possibly Mangala, being relatively young.

Caballero, Sagna, Demichelis, Bony, Jovetic, Fernando, Navas, Negredo, Fernandinho, Delph, not a chance & very unlikely Otamendi is anything to do with Pep either. All are signings for ' now' not for later.

Pellegrini wanted Isco, got Jovetic.

Fernandinho and I believe Fernando and Mangala were being prepared before Pellegrini came in.

Caballero & Demichellis were clearly his men.

You like I have no idea if Pellegrini wanted these players at all.

His reluctance to rely on some of them would suggest they may not be his men.

My question, why are we signing players of that calibre? You blame Pellegrini I blame Txiki.
 
Undermine is a word I've never once used.

I maintain his three years have been influenced by the club's desire for Guardiola though.

The club it's self have made it perfectly clear since the arrival of Txiki & Sorriano that they wanted Pep. I have no problem with that.

I think he's worked in unique circumstances and nobody but Pellegrini or his employers can possibly know the full extent of his role.

You'll say 'what's unique about a 3 year deal'?

I'll say, 'name another manager that's signed a 3 year contract whilst the club are already in ongoing negotiations which his replacement'.

We'll round in circles.

But please don't claim I've said Pellegrini's time has been 'undermined' I have not. I believe it's been influenced.

If you and shaelum think we spent £150 million last summer on Pellegrini targets I think you're deluding yourselves. If you do believe Txiki would sanction such investment for a manager who everyone knew was out the door in a year then surely you're concerned with Txiki's competence.

Wasn't De Bruyne's agent quite vocal and positive about the open and honest approach from City as opposed to Bayern. Inferring that De Bruyne signed for us because Pep was coming.

He in no way absolved of all responsibility and has made plenty of mistakes. For me, his unique position is why he's remained in the job.

Here's a very interesting read.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-mastery-of-transition-dignity-and-class.html
Undermined - influenced.... PotAto potaato. Pellegrini walked into the City job with his eyes wide open. He had by far the best squad in the league, brought in some of his own players and may have had some bought for him that he didn't choose but accepted all the same.

All said and done and as with most other jobs in life, you play the hand you're dealt. Name me a manager who wouldn't accept what Pellegrini has had at City? He had a squad, coached and picked the players and decided upon the tactics, how he played the hand he was dealt was purely his choice as he wasn't a glove puppet with Txiki's hand up his arse.

The whole point of having a DoF is so that the club has continuity and isn't changing playing direction every time a new manager is appointed. That's Txiki's job and presumably Manuel was cool with it when he accepted the role otherwise why take it? Pellegrini had autonomy as coach and manager too because we were told our club's policy was to play 433 and in his very first game Manuel rocked up with his all out attacking 442.

As for the article you referenced, I'm sure it was Newcastle we played last Tuesday NOT Sunderland......... Undermined, influenced, potAto, potaato; Pellegrini went out playing the hand he was dealt his way, what more could he have asked for or expected?
 
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Undermined - influenced.... PotAto potaato. Pellegrini walked into the City job with his eyes wide open. He had by far the best squad in the league, brought in some of his own players and may have had some bought for him that he didn't choose but accepted all the same.

All said and done and as with most other jobs in life, you play the hand you're dealt. Name me a manager who wouldn't accept what Pellegrini has had at City? He had a squad, coached and picked the players and decided upon the tactics, how he played the hand he was dealt was purely his choice as he wasn't a glove puppet with Txiki's hand up his arse.

The whole point of having a DoF is so that the club has continuity and isn't changing playing direction every time a new manager is appointed. That's Txiki's job and presumably Manuel was cool with it when he accepted the role otherwise why take it? Pellegrini had autonomy as coach and manager too because we were told our club's policy was to play 433 and in his very first game Manuel rocked up with his all out attacking 442.

Undermined, influenced, potAto, potaato; Pellegrini went out playing the hand he was dealt his way.


Undermind and influenced are totally different.

I can name you countless managers that wouldn't take the job under the same circumstances. Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho et al would not take a job they knew they were only in the job till Guardiola was available.

Do you honestly think Klopp would have taken the Liverpool job had he known Liverpool and Gerrard were already in discussions about Gerrard being given the job when his Galaxy contract finished. You know the answer.
Txiki decided against employing Mourinho in the past because he would have wanted too much power. Indicating that Mourinho wouldn't work under such circumstances.

I agree, we were told we were going to play 433. Yet we haven't signed any players to suit it. You don't spend £54 million for a out and out number 10 if you're going to play without a traditional number 10. Do you agree?
We were also told we would be playing a high pressing high line game. Pellegrini is often slated for his high line.
We were told by Txiki that the club at all levels would play in a certain way.
I imagine that is the high press, high line Barcelona system.

So who's to blame for the high line we play? You, nor I can say who is to blame with any certainty.


What I do know, at Villareal Pellegrini played a pretty deep lying defence with pacey attackers and a traditional No. 10. Riqualme at Villareal.
He had a dominating holding player in Senna and energic players supporting Senna.
At Malaga he sat deep with Lugano and Demichellis, had Toulalan in the Senna role. Saviola and latterly Isco in the 10.

So Pellegrini has his system, even at Madrid he complained about the Galactico system, comparing it to building an orchestra. He said he had ten guitarists and no pianists. He complained that they sold his pianists.

So he had a history of playing deep, a compact midfield with a ball playing ball winner. He's tried nothing of the sort at City except in the CL.
I wonder why? His idea or is he being influenced to play a certain way?

I like you have no idea.

However we have Begeristain publiclly stating we are building towards the Barcelona model, we are bringing in the architect of the Barcelona model to be employed by his former employers at Barcelona who helped create this model. Yet non of this influences our current manager? A manager employed to help implement this very model.

Are you sure?

Pellegrini, Sorriano, Begiristain & Pep. Who's the elephant in the room?
 
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Pellegrini wanted Isco, got Jovetic.

Fernandinho and I believe Fernando and Mangala were being prepared before Pellegrini came in.

Caballero & Demichellis were clearly his men.

You like I have no idea if Pellegrini wanted these players at all.

His reluctance to rely on some of them would suggest they may not be his men.

My question, why are we signing players of that calibre? You blame Pellegrini I blame Txiki.

I don't care what your question is, so you can change the subject, I'm sticking to this.

'His reluctance to rely on them' So he doesn't pick Sagna, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Fernando, Demichelis, Mangala, he doesn't start Bony instead of Iheanacho, he doesn't pick Navas ?

Which players exactly does he pick instead then ?

As you say, Mancini wanted Jovetic & Fernandinho & we were already working on them then tried to sign Isco but he shit on Pellegrini & went to Real Madrid & resisted his desire to work with his 'mentor'Pellegrini some more. So they told Pellegrini he had to have Jovetic etc & didn't give him the choice ? We can't get Isco so fuck you, we're signing Jovetic ? Just like Marwood told Mancini he had to have Rodwell & Sinclair & Javi Garcia ? The managers are not allowed to say ' no let's keep the money & wait' as our dofs just love to spend money, & can't stop themselves ? Txiki just deperately wanted Bony too ? He knew Pep likes big strong cfs for his formatons, so got him in early in case he missed him, wheras Pellegrini only used Rocky Santa Cruz & Negredo because he was forced to & really would prefer not to have these kind of players ? Just when all his strikers were injured they forced a striker on him. What bastards the club are.

Yeah you could be right, perhaps Pellegrini didn't want them & would have preferred to wait. And perhaps Txiki forced him to have Bony, at Christmas, out of pure meanness, but it's pretty fucking unlikely.

Both Mancini & Pellegrini were backed by the club like few managers in the history of British football have ever been.
 
I don't care what your question is, so you can change the subject, I'm sticking to this.

'His reluctance to rely on them' So he doesn't pick Sagna, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Fernando, Demichelis, Mangala, he doesn't start Bony instead of Iheanacho, he doesn't pick Navas ?

Which players exactly does he pick instead then ?

As you say, Mancini wanted Jovetic & Fernandinho & we were already working on them then tried to sign Isco but he shit on Pellegrini & went to Real Madrid & resisted his desire to work with his 'mentor'Pellegrini some more. So they told Pellegrini he had to have Jovetic etc & didn't give him the choice ? We can't get Isco so fuck you, we're signing Jovetic ? Just like Marwood told Mancini he had to have Rodwell & Sinclair & Javi Garcia ? The managers are not allowed to say ' no let's keep the money & wait' as our dofs just love to spend money, & can't stop themselves ? Txiki just deperately wanted Bony too ? He knew Pep likes big strong cfs for his formatons, so got him in early in case he missed him, wheras Pellegrini only used Rocky Santa Cruz & Negredo because he was forced to & really would prefer not to have these kind of players ? Just when all his strikers were injured they forced a striker on him. What bastards the club are.

Yeah you could be right, perhaps Pellegrini didn't want them & would have preferred to wait. And perhaps Txiki forced him to have Bony, at Christmas, out of pure meanness, but it's pretty fucking unlikely.

Both Mancini & Pellegrini were backed by the club like few managers in the history of British football have ever been.


Wow, that was quite hard to read. I suggest you calm down.

As you've deliberately misrepresented what I actually said it's pretty pointless replying.

To keep it simple. Txiki buys the players, as he did at Barcelona. Yes, the managers sometimes get their man too.


Oh and the word 'some' is often important in a sentance.


You're wasting your time with me, I fundamentally disagree with you. You blame Pellegrini for nearly everything. That's your view, you won't change it.

I will personally judge Pellegrini, Txiki and the players in my own way and form my opinions.
If other fans don't think two Barcelona executives' constant pursuit of their ex Barcelona manager has any impact, any influence on the current manager then that's up to them. I will respectfully disagree.
 
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I will be delighted for City & Pell tomorrow if we get a good result to take to Madrid. He deserves to go out with a bang for the impeccable way he handles himself and the media under trying circumstances. The league has been a disaster but injuries haven't helped. We should have still walked it though.
I agree that he has been a sort of long term caretaker but whether that will turn out to be a good decision only time will tell. He will get a top job somewhere else no problem.
His record is the best in the league since he came to City so in that respect we have done ok. To get us into the last 16 of Europe twice was good progress and to have us as at least the fourth best in Europe this season is a wonderful achievement.
Some fans clearly dislike him...i find that a bit odd...others hate him which makes no sense at all...i like him and I'm sure others do too. His 2nd year was hampered by ffp & a smaller European squad...this year was hampered by injuries.
However i think he could have done better...as could the players...and the board, the player purchase department & the ticket office. Good luck tomorrow City. You can do it ;-)
 
I will be delighted for City & Pell tomorrow if we get a good result to take to Madrid. He deserves to go out with a bang for the impeccable way he handles himself and the media under trying circumstances. The league has been a disaster but injuries haven't helped. We should have still walked it though.
I agree that he has been a sort of long term caretaker but whether that will turn out to be a good decision only time will tell. He will get a top job somewhere else no problem.
His record is the best in the league since he came to City so in that respect we have done ok. To get us into the last 16 of Europe twice was good progress and to have us as at least the fourth best in Europe this season is a wonderful achievement.
Some fans clearly dislike him...i find that a bit odd...others hate him which makes no sense at all...i like him and I'm sure others do too. His 2nd year was hampered by ffp & a smaller European squad...this year was hampered by injuries.
However i think he could have done better...as could the players...and the board, the player purchase department & the ticket office. Good luck tomorrow City. You can do it ;-)

I don't think anyone dislikes him. he's just a crap manager.
 
Undermind and influenced are totally different.

I can name you countless managers that wouldn't take the job under the same circumstances. Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho et al would not take a job they knew they were only in the job till Guardiola was available.

Do you honestly think Klopp would have taken the Liverpool job had he known Liverpool and Gerrard were already in discussions about Gerrard being given the job when his Galaxy contract finished. You know the answer.
Txiki decided against employing Mourinho in the past because he would have wanted too much power. Indicating that Mourinho wouldn't work under such circumstances.

I agree, we were told we were going to play 433. Yet we haven't signed any players to suit it. You don't spend £54 million for a out and out number 10 if you're going to play without a traditional number 10. Do you agree?
We were also told we would be playing a high pressing high line game. Pellegrini is often slated for his high line.
We were told by Txiki that the club at all levels would play in a certain way.
I imagine that is the high press, high line Barcelona system.

So who's to blame for the high line we play? You, nor I can say who is to blame with any certainty.


What I do know, at Villareal Pellegrini played a pretty deep lying defence with pacey attackers and a traditional No. 10. Riqualme at Villareal.
He had a dominating holding player in Senna and energic players supporting Senna.
At Malaga he sat deep with Lugano and Demichellis, had Toulalan in the Senna role. Saviola and latterly Isco in the 10.

So Pellegrini has his system, even at Madrid he complained about the Galactico system, comparing it to building an orchestra. He said he had ten guitarists and no pianists. He complained that they sold his pianists.

So he had a history of playing deep, a compact midfield with a ball playing ball winner. He's tried nothing of the sort at City except in the CL.
I wonder why? His idea or is he being influenced to play a certain way?

I like you have no idea.

However we have Begeristain publiclly stating we are building towards the Barcelona model, we are bringing in the architect of the Barcelona model to be employed by his former employers at Barcelona who helped create this model. Yet non of this influences our current manager? A manager employed to help implement this very model.

Are you sure?

Pellegrini, Sorriano, Begiristain & Pep. Who's the elephant in the room?
I can name you countless managers that wouldn't take the job under the same circumstances. Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho et al would not take a job they knew they were only in the job till Guardiola was available.

Do you honestly think Klopp would have taken the Liverpool job had he known Liverpool and Gerrard were already in discussions about Gerrard being given the job when his Galaxy contract finished. You know the answer.
Txiki decided against employing Mourinho in the past because he would have wanted too much power. Indicating that Mourinho wouldn't work under such circumstances.

So are you claiming with ITK certainty that Manuel was appointed on the premise that 'You're here for 3 years then Pep's coming in'? Also if Manuel is a 'Top' manager as you claim, why wouldn't other 'Top' managers accept the same offer that Manuel did if indeed he was told he was only here for 3 years until Pep arrived? Do you now speak for Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho et al?

Also where was Pep in all of this? There is an assumption there that Pep was already nailed on to come here 3 years ago, so seeing as you seem to know so much about it, was there anything signed or not?

I agree, we were told we were going to play 433. Yet we haven't signed any players to suit it. You don't spend £54 million for a out and out number 10 if you're going to play without a traditional number 10. Do you agree? We were also told we would be playing a high pressing high line game. Pellegrini is often slated for his high line. We were told by Txiki that the club at all levels would play in a certain way. I imagine that is the high press, high line Barcelona system.

So who's to blame for the high line we play? You, nor I can say who is to blame with any certainty. What I do know, at Villareal Pellegrini played a pretty deep lying defence with pacey attackers and a traditional No. 10. Riqualme at Villareal. He had a dominating holding player in Senna and energic players supporting Senna. At Malaga he sat deep with Lugano and Demichellis, had Toulalan in the Senna role. Saviola and latterly Isco in the 10.

So Pellegrini has his system, even at Madrid he complained about the Galactico system, comparing it to building an orchestra. He said he had ten guitarists and no pianists. He complained that they sold his pianists. So he had a history of playing deep, a compact midfield with a ball playing ball winner. He's tried nothing of the sort at City except in the CL.
I wonder why? His idea or is he being influenced to play a certain way?

Pellegrini is our manager NOT Txiki. Manuel coaches the team, picks the match day squad and decides upon the formation and tactics (Good grief, I've used Manuel and tactics in the same sentence). Are you now saying he doesn't do any of the aforementioned? We've had this discussion before when I told you that Manuel had never employed the tactics he's used at City before to my knowledge and I'm glad you now agree, so why at City and why now?

You feel he was being influenced by the man who said we'll be playing 433, I believe that City was too big a job and opportunity for Manuel not to put his lifelong beliefs into practice. He went against all he'd done previously and you reckon this is down to Txiki's influence? If this is the case, then why wasn't Pep playing 442 at Barca and more recently at Bayern?
 
I don't think anyone dislikes him. he's just a crap manager.

I totally agree. I've got nothing against him personally whatsoever, he seems like a lovely man and I wish him nothing but success. But I just don't rate him as a football manager.

He has seemingly saved his best performances this season for the Champions League. Let's hope he's saved the best for last and he can take us all the way to the trophy. If he can do that he will be remembered forever at this football club.
 
So are you claiming with ITK certainty that Manuel was appointed on the premise that 'You're here for 3 years then Pep's coming in'? Also if Manuel is a 'Top' manager as you claim, why wouldn't other 'Top' managers accept the same offer that Manuel did if indeed he was told he was only here for 3 years until Pep arrived? Do you now speak for Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho et al?

Also where was Pep in all of this? There is an assumption there that Pep was already nailed on to come here 3 years ago, so seeing as you seem to know so much about it, was there anything signed or not?



Pellegrini is our manager NOT Txiki. Manuel coaches the team, picks the match day squad and decides upon the formation and tactics (Good grief, I've used Manuel and tactics in the same sentence). Are you now saying he doesn't do any of the aforementioned? We've had this discussion before when I told you that Manuel had never employed the tactics he's used at City before to my knowledge and I'm glad you now agree, so why at City and why now?

You feel he was being influenced by the man who said we'll be playing 433, I believe that City was too big a job and opportunity for Manuel not to put his lifelong beliefs into practice. He went against all he'd done previously and you reckon this is down to Txiki's influence? If this is the case, then why wasn't Pep playing 442 at Barca and more recently at Bayern?


You've basically ignored all my points and questions. Just asked me more questions some I've already answered.

With regards other manager being offered the job. Non of my examples are in their 60's and Txiki has previously ignored Mourinho as by all accounts he believed Mourinho would want too much control.
Too much control? Why would that matter if Txiki wasn't involved or influencing matters on or off field?

There's a reason and an example of why I believe Pellegrini was offered the job.
He was seasoned enough and experienced enough to understand his job role at City.
Managers like Klopp and Simeone have their own strong beliefs and I would argue are more determind in their ideas.

I'm not claiming anything with any ITK certainty. The only certainty is we wanted Pep from the day Txiki walked through the door. its hardly a big leap to suggest as much. He's been given the job 2 years into Pellegrini's deal.

I'm aware Pellegrini is the manager. I agree he's responsible for team selections etc. but as you've already said Txiki has been very vocal is the way we play or should play.
As I say, Txiki has made it clear from day one he wants to recreate the Barcelona model. They have made it perfectly clear they want Pep to help in this transission. Pep has now been employed.
10 seconds after Pellegrini the club released this.

"Manchester City can confirm that in recent weeks it has commenced and finalised contractual negotiations with Pep Guardiola to become MCFC Head Coach for the 2016/17 EPL season onwards.
The contract is for three years. These negotiations were a re-commencement of discussions that were curtailed in 2012.
Out of respect for Manuel Pellegrini and the players, the Club wishes to make its decision public to remove the unnecessary burden of speculation.
Manuel, who is fully supportive of the decision to make this communication, is entirely focused on achieving his targets for the season ahead and retains the respect and commitment of all involved with the leadership of the Club."

So as I say, Txiki and Sorriano have been open and vocal about playing a certain way, implementing certain style and obvious in their desire to work with Pep at City. To suggest Pellegrini hasn't been influenced by such a situation, to suggest certain players haven't been bought with another manager in place is a little nieve for me. If Txiki and Sorriano weren't or aren't influencing first team affairs then I'd be more concerned.

Simple question, Txiki has been openly vocal about the vision, about the style of play he is building towards. Can you say with any ITK certainty that's he's had no influence on our style of play?

Pellegrini was open and vocal after his time at Madrid and how there was too much influence in first team affairs.
 
Wow, that was quite hard to read. I suggest you calm down.

As you've deliberately misrepresented what I actually said it's pretty pointless replying.

To keep it simple. Txiki buys the players, as he did at Barcelona. Yes, the managers sometimes get their man too.


Oh and the word 'some' is often important in a sentance.


You're wasting your time with me, I fundamentally disagree with you. You blame Pellegrini for nearly everything. That's your view, you won't change it.

I will personally judge Pellegrini, Txiki and the players in my own way and form my opinions.
If other fans don't think two Barcelona executives' constant pursuit of their ex Barcelona manager has any impact, any influence on the current manager then that's up to them. I will respectfully disagree.

It was you who originally quoted me.
 
Sterling & DeBruyne almost certainly with Pep in mind but with Pellegrini's agreement. Possibly Mangala, being relatively young.

Caballero, Sagna, Demichelis, Bony, Jovetic, Fernando, Navas, Negredo, Fernandinho, Delph, not a chance & very unlikely Otamendi is anything to do with Pep either. All are signings for ' now' not for later.


Directly after my post.
 
You've basically ignored all my points and questions. Just asked me more questions some I've already answered.

With regards other manager being offered the job. Non of my examples are in their 60's and Txiki has previously ignored Mourinho as by all accounts he believed Mourinho would want too much control.
Too much control? Why would that matter if Txiki wasn't involved or influencing matters on or off field?

There's a reason and an example of why I believe Pellegrini was offered the job.
He was seasoned enough and experienced enough to understand his job role at City.
Managers like Klopp and Simeone have their own strong beliefs and I would argue are more determind in their ideas.

I'm not claiming anything with any ITK certainty. The only certainty is we wanted Pep from the day Txiki walked through the door. its hardly a big leap to suggest as much. He's been given the job 2 years into Pellegrini's deal.

I'm aware Pellegrini is the manager. I agree he's responsible for team selections etc. but as you've already said Txiki has been very vocal is the way we play or should play.
As I say, Txiki has made it clear from day one he wants to recreate the Barcelona model. They have made it perfectly clear they want Pep to help in this transission. Pep has now been employed.
10 seconds after Pellegrini the club released this.

"Manchester City can confirm that in recent weeks it has commenced and finalised contractual negotiations with Pep Guardiola to become MCFC Head Coach for the 2016/17 EPL season onwards.
The contract is for three years. These negotiations were a re-commencement of discussions that were curtailed in 2012.
Out of respect for Manuel Pellegrini and the players, the Club wishes to make its decision public to remove the unnecessary burden of speculation.
Manuel, who is fully supportive of the decision to make this communication, is entirely focused on achieving his targets for the season ahead and retains the respect and commitment of all involved with the leadership of the Club."

So as I say, Txiki and Sorriano have been open and vocal about playing a certain way, implementing certain style and obvious in their desire to work with Pep at City. To suggest Pellegrini hasn't been influenced by such a situation, to suggest certain players haven't been bought with another manager in place is a little nieve for me. If Txiki and Sorriano weren't or aren't influencing first team affairs then I'd be more concerned.

Simple question, Txiki has been openly vocal about the vision, about the style of play he is building towards. Can you say with any ITK certainty that's he's had no influence on our style of play?

Pellegrini was open and vocal after his time at Madrid and how there was too much influence in first team affairs.
Whoa, calm down tiger........ :-)

So cutting your long post short, you're basically saying Manuel was offered the City job because he's an obedient 60-odd year old lap dog who knew his place and because of his age should have just been grateful for the opportunity to manage City?

In regards to Mourinho, I think what concerned Txiki was Mourinho's character:

Ferran Soriano [the Barcelona General Manager] describes the mood of the expeditionary force when Ingla and Begiristain returned from Portugal. “Txiki and Marc thought that Mourinho was very well prepared,” he recalls. “He had a PowerPoint display on how he would manage everything. They spent three hours with him and both came away thinking Mourinho was not our guy. Marc said that Mourinho spoke 90% of the time and didn’t listen. He said: ‘I just don’t like him.’

“Txiki was a bit more rational. He said: ‘Mourinho would do well, but the number of fires he would cause internally, and with the media, are not worth it.’

In short Mourinho's a dick and not worth the hassle.

As for Txiki's influence, its all about degrees. The club wanted football based on the Barca model and to play 433. On what planet do you think our style of play has resembled Barca's since Manuel has been here, especially as you claim we've bought players to suit that style and not Pellegrini's and Txiki has been pulling Manuel's strings?

You mentioned how Manuel set up Villareal. If he wanted to, he has enough players at City to replicate that formation and style here but has chosen not to. Are you claiming with ITK certainty this is because of Txiki's influence over Manuel?

And again if Txiki is pulling his manager's strings, why didn't Barca play 442 during Txiki's time there?
 
Whoa, calm down tiger........ :-)

So cutting your long post short, you're basically saying Manuel was offered the City job because he's an obedient 60-odd year old lap dog who knew his place and because of his age should have just been grateful for the opportunity to manage City?

In regards to Mourinho, I think what concerned Txiki was Mourinho's character:



In short Mourinho's a dick and not worth the hassle.

As for Txiki's influence, its all about degrees. The club wanted football based on the Barca model and to play 433. On what planet do you think our style of play has resembled Barca's since Manuel has been here, especially as you claim we've bought players to suit that style and not Pellegrini's and Txiki has been pulling Manuel's strings?

You mentioned how Manuel set up Villareal. If he wanted to, he has enough players at City to replicate that formation and style here but has chosen not to. Are you claiming with ITK certainty this is because of Txiki's influence over Manuel?

And again if Txiki is pulling his manager's strings, why didn't Barca play 442 during Txiki's time there?

Didn't Begristain say that the manager can play whatever formation he likes as long as its basically attacking football?

They use 433 at the junior levels primarily because they believe that system best aids their development.
 
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