EU referendum

[TonyM]

vomiting out not in makes sense.

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's just straw man after straw man with you. Japan, the EU and Britain can all succeed or fail for completely different reasons to one another

At least outside the EU, Britain can do well or badly as a democracy, something that cannot be said of the EU.

Do you really honestly believe your vote counts for much and even if it did that Britain really would have independence on its own? Such things don't exist anymore other than in nostalgia and imagination. You love your straw men very very much but sometimes a straw man is real - watch worzel gummidge.

You can fight for your right to let Whitehall mandarins make exactly the same decisions as Brussells ones and to let the same businesses own and run your life and if you really believe MPs in Surrey have your interests anymore at heart than ones in Flanders them good luck to you

 

[EalingBlue2]

Exactly. There's no reason why the roof over your head being expensive is any more desirable than the food on your plate costing more.

Outside the EU if we felt excessive demand was harming housing affordability, we'd have the chance to do something about it.

What banning foreign investment in the UK - good luck the trading partners you would be negotiating would love that , the only thing that kept Britain in the position it was through the GFC was capital flight into London.

 

[EalingBlue2]

We don't need a trade deal. This was done pages ago and explained by cleverer folk than me.

You do or you will be dealing with the US and Asia and Europe at a big disadvantage to other trading competitors. With education sliding in the UK and not having any abundance of natural resources relative to elsewhere that's not a good place to be.

 

[Helmet Cole]

No deal = 2% tariff apparently.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Do you really honestly believe your vote counts for much and even if it did that Britain really would have independence on its own? Such things don't exist anymore other than in nostalgia and imagination. You love your straw men very very much but sometimes a straw man is real - watch worzel gummidge.

You can fight for your right to let Whitehall mandarins make exactly the same decisions as Brussells ones and to let the same businesses own and run your life and if you really believe MPs in Surrey have your interests anymore at heart than ones in Flanders them good luck to you

You could extend that logic to letting Napoleon or Hitler have their way back in the day.

 

[stonerblue]

These comments echo the feelings of many of the working class, and the intellectual left just do not get it. The sharp end of the economy's health
is often indicated by the building trade, which is doing well, but native employees within it are certainly not. My mate has worked within it all his life and his earnings have remained stagnant
for years, all the sites he works on are full of Eastern Europeans who will gladly work for the lowest wages, as earnings in their countries are around 20% of what they can get here.

What tosh.
I read this after coming home from the pub last night where i'd had a few pints after work. I was drinking with mates who between them own their own business' in the building game. Groundworker employs 5 lads with one European, Roofer has 3 lads all English, industrial specialist glazer runs about 30 staff with his Romanian colleague and most are British, construction and property firm owner with about 50 workers mostly British.

 

[stonerblue]

I thought it was enjoyably neutral - gave plenty of airtime to both Remain and Leave supporters and there were loads of opportunities for EU employees to really showcase the benefits of the EU.

Whoosh.....

 

[EalingBlue2]

You could extend that logic to letting Napoleon or Hitler have their way back in the day.

Extending logic to Hitler is becoming almost a national sport at the moment and the Brexiters and King Boris are becoming experts. I am sure you can you could stretch that logic in a lot of directions.

What matters is the right decisions being made and the mad idea that an MP from surbiton whose claim to power is a rich family and a couple of years at conservative central office is going to do better than a very hard working intelligent Eurocrat purely because he is English and the good old old people of surbiton democratically elected him is laughable .

 

[Helmet Cole]

Extending logic to Hitler is becoming almost a national sport at the moment and the Brexiters and King Boris are becoming experts. I am sure you can you could stretch that logic in a lot of directions.

What matters is the right decisions being made and the mad idea that an MP from surbiton whose claim to power is a rich family and a couple of years at conservative central office is going to do better than a very hard working intelligent Eurocrat purely because he is English and the good old old people of surbiton democratically elected him is laughable .

The key point is that we can (in theory at least) get rid of the mp in our national elections. We have no such option with the Eurocrat :-(

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I'm voting remain. Not sure why.

That's ok that's your right vote how you like that's the beauty of it.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Extending logic to Hitler is becoming almost a national sport at the moment and the Brexiters and King Boris are becoming experts. I am sure you can you could stretch that logic in a lot of directions.

What matters is the right decisions being made and the mad idea that an MP from surbiton whose claim to power is a rich family and a couple of years at conservative central office is going to do better than a very hard working intelligent Eurocrat purely because he is English and the good old old people of surbiton democratically elected him is laughable .

Bloody hell I've seen some sweeping broad brush generalisations in my time..... but this EB2, really does take the biscuit. Instead of pointing at people and laughing at them, as I've told you before, focus on your remain arguement and argue the points made by the Brexiters. You really dud come across as being better than this.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Extending logic to Hitler is becoming almost a national sport at the moment and the Brexiters and King Boris are becoming experts. I am sure you can you could stretch that logic in a lot of directions.

What matters is the right decisions being made and the mad idea that an MP from surbiton whose claim to power is a rich family and a couple of years at conservative central office is going to do better than a very hard working intelligent Eurocrat purely because he is English and the good old old people of surbiton democratically elected him is laughable .

I suggest rather than make these points you start a political integration plan in the area of the world you now live. What do you think start with Australia , New Zealand, Bali, Fiji , Indonesia and papa new guinea hey?

Form a parliament and unelected commission in say Indonesia.

Allow all the people who live in these countries to travel freely and work in any country in the block. A good many will pick Australia given its strength but that does not bother you given your thoughts on the Eu. You will of course have to scrap your immigration laws but hey small sacrifice for three greater good.

Start paying into a central pot extra taxes from yourself and share with the poorer countries around you. Indonesia particularly needs some investment and roads i expect as does Bali. Then draw up a list of other countries nearby ( I know that's difficult given geography) but put on a list and start prep to bring them in.

Scrap your Aussie dollar and all have the same currency and integrate economically and politically.

Scrap your Aussie parliament as it does not matter given your views and all live in harmony on the other side of the world being governed by parliament in Indonesia . I am sure the needs of Sydney are absolutely identical to the needs of Jakarta

I reckon you would be well placed to start this very important piece of integration of countries on the basis they are near to each other , democracy and costs are irrelevant of course to you. Good luck .

 

[EalingBlue2]

I suggest rather than make these points you start a political integration plan in the area of the world you now live. What do you think start with Australia , New Zealand, Bali, Fiji , Indonesia and papa new guinea hey?

Form a parliament and unelected commission in say Indonesia.

Allow all the people who live in these countries to travel freely and work in any country in the block. A good many will pick Australia given its strength but that does not bother you given your thoughts on the Eu. You will of course have to scrap your immigration laws but hey small sacrifice for three greater good.

Start paying into a central pot extra taxes from yourself and share with the poorer countries around you. Indonesia particularly needs some investment and roads i expect as does Bali. Then draw up a list of other countries nearby ( I know that's difficult given geography) but put on a list and start prep to bring them in.

Scrap your Aussie dollar and all have the same currency and integrate economically and politically.

Scrap your Aussie parliament as it does not matter given your views and all live in harmony on the other side of the world being governed by parliament in Indonesia . I am sure the needs of Sydney are absolutely identical to the needs of Jakarta

I reckon you would be well placed to start this very important piece of integration of countries on the basis they are near to each other , democracy and costs are irrelevant of course to you. Good luck .

Bali is Indonesia. We already do have freedom of movement and economy between Aus and NZ

Funnily enough the needs of Sydney are more like the needs of Jakarta than they are like the needs of Cape York or the Simpson desert . Fiji and the Pacific get big funding from here but Indonesia would be the equivalent of China joining the EU so I am not sure that works. There is also a huge amount of movement from the islands into Aus and NZ and we gain a lot from it, especially sporting wise , the northern beaches where I live has some great Tongan and Samoan communities

 

[Chancy Termites]

Do you really honestly believe your vote counts for much and even if it did that Britain really would have independence on its own? Such things don't exist anymore other than in nostalgia and imagination. You love your straw men very very much but sometimes a straw man is real - watch worzel gummidge.

You can fight for your right to let Whitehall mandarins make exactly the same decisions as Brussells ones and to let the same businesses own and run your life and if you really believe MPs in Surrey have your interests anymore at heart than ones in Flanders them good luck to you

So you agree that I have a vote in the UK then. Well done.

Pity I don't have one in the EU.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Bali is Indonesia. We already do have freedom of movement and economy between Aus and NZ

Funnily enough the needs of Sydney are more like the needs of Jakarta than they are like the needs of Cape York or the Simpson desert . Fiji and the Pacific get big funding from here but Indonesia would be the equivalent of China joining the EU so I am not sure that works. There is also a huge amount of movement from the islands into Aus and NZ and we gain a lot from it, especially sporting wise , the northern beaches where I live has some great Tongan and Samoan communities

Lovely, cooperation and willing mutual integration sounds great, culturally, politicAlly and economically. Go the whole hog though and fully integrate what's up with you?

What you have described is what we have with the usa and commonwealth countries which is fine. I am afraid the Eu goes way beyond that. If it's for you legally go for it. At the moment you are describing people and countries agreeing to get out of a relationships what they want which is fine , felexibilty and mutual benefits. The Eu is very different.

I am not sure the uk and Albania have much in common but that's next.

 

[Chancy Termites]

What banning foreign investment in the UK - good luck the trading partners you would be negotiating would love that , the only thing that kept Britain in the position it was through the GFC was capital flight into London.

Silly point and yet another straw man. Housing demand is driven by people wanting to live in houses. Where did I say anything about foreign investment? Nowhere.

 

[SWP's back]

Do you really honestly believe your vote counts for much and even if it did that Britain really would have independence on its own? Such things don't exist anymore other than in nostalgia and imagination. You love your straw men very very much but sometimes a straw man is real - watch worzel gummidge.

You can fight for your right to let Whitehall mandarins make exactly the same decisions as Brussells ones and to let the same businesses own and run your life and if you really believe MPs in Surrey have your interests anymore at heart than ones in Flanders them good luck to you

Your debating skills get worse by the week.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Bali is Indonesia. We already do have freedom of movement and economy between Aus and NZ

Funnily enough the needs of Sydney are more like the needs of Jakarta than they are like the needs of Cape York or the Simpson desert . Fiji and the Pacific get big funding from here but Indonesia would be the equivalent of China joining the EU so I am not sure that works. There is also a huge amount of movement from the islands into Aus and NZ and we gain a lot from it, especially sporting wise , the northern beaches where I live has some great Tongan and Samoan communities

All achieved while retaining control of your own borders? -excellent.

 

[Pino]

Juncker © Max Rossi / Reuters
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has thrown down the gauntlet ahead of Britain’s EU referendum, warning British people that “deserters” will not be welcomed back if the UK leaves the bloc.

Juncker, who earlier this year promised to stay out of the Brexit debate, denied he was issuing a threat.
The EC president, a former prime minister of Luxembourg, did not stipulate how Britain’s relationship with the EU would change – but simply saying it would be different from today.


“I’m sure the deserters will not be welcomed with open arms,” Juncker told French newspaper Le Monde when asked what would happen if the British people voted for Brexit.

“The United Kingdom will have to accept being regarded as a third country, which won’t be handled with kid gloves,” he said.

“If the British leave Europe, people will have to face the consequences – we will have to, just as they will. It’s not a threat, but our relations will no longer be what they are today.”

Juncker’s stern warning comes three months after the European Commission pledged to stay out of the Brexit debate.