EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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AlgarveBlu said:
No problem, and I'm not trying to change anyone's votes as every one has different reasons to vote on this ref but it's frustrating to continuously read arguments from the remain side that are framed around the economic risks of leaving which are all based on a snapshot of our relationship with the eu today when there is a binary outcome for the future that needs to be considered for the uk in the eu.
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No problem...complete respect your view as well!; ) Just found a report(link below) that shows why it will be different for the UK to leave compared to a country like Switzerland. In fact the swiss economy is suffering a very difficult time at the moment with government cuts round the corner...being out of the EU doesnt protect you! In fact I was shocked to see how many agreements switzerland still had with the EU.....whether we like it or not we need the EU....

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/switzerland-norway-models-post-brexit-11392082


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/strong-swiss-franc_swiss-economy-set-for-bumpy-ride-in-2016/41873250

"Switzerland is tied to the EU with more than 120 bilateral agreements. They have become part of daily business. If these agreements were to be abandoned - even one important agreement like that of the free movement of people - this would have negative consequences for the Swiss economy for years"
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
No problem...complete respect your view as well!; ) Just found a report(link below) that shows why it will be different for the UK to leave compared to a country like Switzerland. In fact the swiss economy is suffering a very difficult time at the moment with government cuts round the corner...being out of the EU doesnt protect you! In fact I was shocked to see how many agreements switzerland still had with the EU.....whether we like it or not we need the EU....

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/switzerland-norway-models-post-brexit-11392082


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/strong-swiss-franc_swiss-economy-set-for-bumpy-ride-in-2016/41873250

"Switzerland is tied to the EU with more than 120 bilateral agreements. They have become part of daily business. If these agreements were to be abandoned - even one important agreement like that of the free movement of people - this would have negative consequences for the Swiss economy for years"
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Switzerland are having a public referendum next Sunday (June 5th) to decide whether the government will start paying a UBI (Universal Basic Income) of 2,500 francs (£1,750) to every citizen. Not the sign of ´very difficult time´
 
smudgedj said:
Switzerland are having a public referendum next Sunday (June 5th) to decide whether the government will start paying a UBI (Universal Basic Income) of 2,500 francs (£1,750) to every citizen. Not the sign of ´very difficult time´
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Difficult to see thats going to be agreed with 3 billion in cuts needed over the next 2 years!; ) and dont forget thats on a population of 8mil.......we have 65mil plus....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/re...extra-3-1-bln-spending-cuts-needed-paper.html
 
AlgarveBlu said:
No problem, and I'm not trying to change anyone's votes as every one has different reasons to vote on this ref but it's frustrating to continuously read arguments from the remain side that are framed around the economic risks of leaving which are all based on a snapshot of our relationship with the eu today when there is a binary outcome for the future that needs to be considered for the uk in the eu.
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Well your economic risks were pretty biased too AlgarveBlue. I don't blame you it's how you see the EU. Nobody's got a crystal ball.

There is a scenario where we do pretty well as members of the EU but on a different track to the Eurozone that must be becoming less popular to several countries.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
No problem...complete respect your view as well!; ) Just found a report(link below) that shows why it will be different for the UK to leave compared to a country like Switzerland. In fact the swiss economy is suffering a very difficult time at the moment with government cuts round the corner...being out of the EU doesnt protect you! In fact I was shocked to see how many agreements switzerland still had with the EU.....whether we like it or not we need the EU....

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/switzerland-norway-models-post-brexit-11392082


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/strong-swiss-franc_swiss-economy-set-for-bumpy-ride-in-2016/41873250

"Switzerland is tied to the EU with more than 120 bilateral agreements. They have become part of daily business. If these agreements were to be abandoned - even one important agreement like that of the free movement of people - this would have negative consequences for the Swiss economy for years"
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Thanks for the links - every country will be facing difficult times as we are facing global pressures from outside the eu with China, latin America, Russia and even Saudi Arabia realising that they have to start looking to diversify for the future with oil prices where they have been.

My point with Switzerland is that they have a hedge which is in essence an insurance policy to set up its own trade arrangements, they are tied to the eu in many ways with those bilateral arrangements and the piece on the referendum where they voted to curb inward migration in 2014 has yet to be resolved and its one to watch because as I understand it these referendum are legally binding as per their constitution but the eu has rejected the outcome of the vote (possibly a discussion that goes back to democracy I suppose) - It has to be resolved by February next year

The link below may be of interest which is what I was mainly referring to in terms of hedging which the uk can't do - not denying they are heavily absorbed in the eu though.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...switzerlands-free-trade-agreement-with-china/
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Well your economic risks were pretty biased too AlgarveBlue. I don't blame you it's how you see the EU. Nobody's got a crystal ball.

There is a scenario where we do pretty well as members of the EU but on a different track to the Eurozone that must be becoming less popular to several countries.
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I'm not sure how they were biased - you need to remember that the most likely option of political and fiscal integration is what many people in the eu want - they would read that option as the logical and correct way forward and from an economic point of view they are correct you cannot have a currency union without fiscal integration - we have all seen for ourselves the outcome of this -

The political issue will be the tricky one for the eu to pull off, but again there needs to be a political will to implement the structures required to make it work - Whether ones perceives the UK's requirements to absorb the necessary adjustments that they will be subjected to will be one person's utopia and another person's hell.. I was just trying to lay out the mechanics of what is most likely to happen should that event occur. If your a uk federalist that should read as pure porn ;-)
 
Gove is more engaging than the pig fucker in his Sky interview.

It's like voting for which you think is the slightly smaller ****.
 
mat said:
He's taken the punches well from the audience.

Pig fucker looked irked every time he was challenged last night.
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Because gove believes what he says and Cameron does not. Obama, Merkel and the cbi told him what to say and if it's not scripted he is fooked as he wants to leave really.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Because gove believes what he says and Cameron does not. Obama, Merkel and the cbi told him what to say and if it's not scripted he is fooked as he wants to leave really.
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For good or bad Gove does believe what he says, in the case of schools it was disastrous, in the case of prison reforms it was outstanding (though most of his best work was reversing his predecessors work)

In the case of EU...? Does give me a bit of a smile the Tories suddenly being all about the poor though, really?
 
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