EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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Because gove believes what he says and Cameron does not. Obama, Merkel and the cbi told him what to say and if it's not scripted he is fooked as he wants to leave really.
It's win win for pig fucker.

He either placates his parties hard right or leads the UK out into Tory heaven of serfdom. If he has any dignity whatsoever if the people vote no he should call another GE so the country can decide who the want to negotiate their exit.
 
For good or bad Gove does believe what he says, in the case of schools it was disastrous, in the case of prison reforms it was outstanding (though most of his best work was reversing his predecessors work)

In the case of EU...? Does give me a bit of a smile the Tories suddenly being all about the poor though, really?

Well no fooker else listens to their concerns, they are either rascist or anti business. They should accept immigration; work harder for less money as someone else in Europe will do it if they do not. Selfish gits.
 
Well no fooker else listens to their concerns, they are either rascist or anti business. They should accept immigration; work harder for less money as someone else in Europe will do it if they do not. Selfish gits.

Aye, just remember if it goes belly up Gove isn't going to struggle, and he will still have the same contempt for the underclass as he does now
 
Aye, just remember if it goes belly up Gove isn't going to struggle, and he will still have the same contempt for the underclass as he does now

Yes but at least he is not dismissing their views as irrelevant now , or thick or rascist or anti business or irrelevant ..... Totally patronising. The north of England have a vote as well.
 
Yes but at least he is not dismissing their views as irrelevant now , or thick or rascist or anti business or irrelevant ..... Totally patronising. The north of England have a vote as well.

No he senses they can help him achieve his aims, so he can't attack them right now, if he achieves his aims it will be right back to how he was before, which in summary was if you are poor and struggling its your fault. Is it not fair game to wonder where this people's champion was for the last 10 years or he get a free pass?
 
Having seen the two debates on Sky news, I can now fully understand why Cameron refused to have a debate with Gove.

I never thought I'd ever say thus but Gove was excellent and would have wiped the floor with call me Dave!

Not so sure it's a different kettle of fish politician on politician, more Davs bag, Gove is good though, lots of sound bites and question dodging, but he has been in the media so knows the game

Like Skys editing, made that interviewer guy look a lot better than he was...
 
Having seen the two debates on Sky news, I can now fully understand why Cameron refused to have a debate with Gove.

I never thought I'd ever say thus but Gove was excellent and would have wiped the floor with call me Dave!
That´s because Gove believes what he´s saying. Dave doesn´t.
 
Not so sure it's a different kettle of fish politician on politician, more Davs bag, Gove is good though, lots of sound bites and question dodging, but he has been in the media so knows the game

Like Skys editing, made that interviewer guy look a lot better than he was...
He was trying to be a piss poor paxman
 
He was trying to be a piss poor paxman

That's what Mrs Hef said straight away!

Someone should have reminded him that he is working for Sky News not Fox News! I thought it was pathetic.
Gove hammered him on the 'can't exist because they have no website....' and 'I agree with you, the pound goes up and down as you said last night...'
 
Switzerland are having a public referendum next Sunday (June 5th) to decide whether the government will start paying a UBI (Universal Basic Income) of 2,500 francs (£1,750) to every citizen. Not the sign of ´very difficult time´

Just a little correction.

The vote is on the principle of UBI not the amount or how it will be funded. And the last poll had 78% against so they won't matter anyway. Marxist dreamland.
 
Just weeks before the 1970 general election which made him Prime Minister, Edward Heath declared that it would be wrong if any Government contemplating membership of the European Community were to take this step without `the full hearted consent of Parliament and people'.

However, when it came to it Heath didn't have a referendum because opinion polls at the time (1972) showed that the British people were hugely opposed (by a margin of two to one) against joining the Common Market. Instead, Heath merely signed the documents that took us into what became the European Union on the basis that Parliament alone had passed the European Communities Bill of 1972.

Precedents show that the British constitution (which may not be written and formalised in the same way as the American constitution is presented) but which is, nevertheless, enshrined and codified in the Magna Carta (1215), the Petition of Right (1628), the Bill of Rights (1689) and the Act of Settlement (1701) requires Parliament to consult the electorate directly where constitutional change which would affect their political sovereignty is in prospect. (The 1689 Bill of Rights contains the following oath: `I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority within this Realm.' Since this Bill has not been repealed it is clear that every treaty Britain has signed with the EU has been illegal.)

Just to help you read that again look at your argument and think. Your argument is that since 1689 anything that gives any foreign body any superiority, Pre eminence, authority etc since then is illegal if not done through a referendum. You state that Heaths decision not to have a referendum made the joining the EU thus.

However what you fail to realise or deliberately ignore is if you apply that logic by the same token the Act of union was illegal. Therefore any decision made in the U.K. Since 1707 and involving any Scottish MPs votes , lairds or any Scottish authority such as civil service is as illegal as any EU treaty. Indeed a Scottish senior officer on the army would be illegal according to your argument. Any supra national body such as NATO would also be illegal. Most ironically you have quoted a notoriously bigoted lord who himself was Scottish and thus not able to have any authority, power etc in England according to you by law.

Some lowly academic somewhere tried to be clever you copy and pasted without much thought - it is utter tripe and if taken literally would render nearly anything done in 350 years illegal
 
In 1975, when the Government changed, Harold Wilson sought to put right the clear constitutional error by organising a retrospective referendum (something quite unprecedented in British history) designed to obtain the permission of the British people for Britain to join something it had already `joined'.

Wilson's referendum was inspired solely by the realisation that the consent of the electorate ought first to have been obtained before we joined the EEC. The lack of legitimacy of the European Communities Act brought about the decision by the incoming Prime Minister and Labour leadership that a referendum should be held in preference to yet another general election.

But, almost inevitably, the question asked in the referendum was also illegal since voters were asked: `Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?'

The problem was that since Heath had ignored the constitution duties and requirements of Parliament and had signed the entrance documents illegally the words `stay in' were deceptive. We couldn't stay in the EEC because, constitutionally, we had never entered. We couldn't enter the Common Market because Parliament did not have the right to sign away our sovereignty.

The referendum Wilson organised to remedy Heath's constitutional breach misled the electorate on a simple constitutional issue and was, therefore, itself illegal. (Wilson's referendum was passed after a good deal of very one-sided propaganda was used to influence public opinion. If the nation had voted against our `continued' membership of the EEC the political embarrassment for all politicians would have been unbearable.)


Note that last sentence and compare with today's behavior of Call me dave an his motley crew.
Take it to court, go on we will all watch and wait.
 
Switzerland are having a public referendum next Sunday (June 5th) to decide whether the government will start paying a UBI (Universal Basic Income) of 2,500 francs (£1,750) to every citizen. Not the sign of ´very difficult time´
The theory behind these ideas and Finland which is also having s very difficult time. , is that this can be cheaper than all the complex welfare and stimulatory to the economy. There is barely a western country in the northern hemisphere not having a very difficult economic time BE they EU or non EU. It's just people want someone to blame and the wealthy and powerful don't want greed, banking and inequality blamed so they set everyone up to argue about the EU and immigration
 
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