EU referendum

[kevin horlocks wand]

I don't have time. Just tell me if he's a fascist **** or not?

Well I have never met him to be honest but I don't think so.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

So on one side of the argument you have The government, The Treasury, the IMF, Nato, Barack Obama, The leaders of the opposition and 39 chairmen/chief executives of the FTSE 100.

On the other side you have Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage and George Galloway.

Tough one that.[/QU
You missed Vladimir Putin off the second list!

 

[coleridge]

Well I have never met him to be honest but I don't think so.

Then I'll give it a listen as time allows.

 

[coleridge]

 

[EalingBlue2]

The only people that will destroy the BBC is the BBC itself. Too much obvious partiality will not go down well with the general public.

If only that were true....,,

 

[EalingBlue2]

I read today that Albania, Macedonia and other poor ex-communist states will be next to join, bringing a pool of 80 million more potential migrants.

Any truth?

Potential migrants or potential markets. It is markets like these where the real potential for growth exists and this is why they are wanted.

 

[blueinsa]

Potential migrants or potential markets. It is markets like these where the real potential for growth exists and this is why they are wanted.

Give over pmsl.

 

[EalingBlue2]

That's an interesting interpretation. So what you are saying is that the remain camp are not really that bothered and can't be arsed to go out and listen to their speakers? But yes I'm in general agreement with you that a lot of voters don't have the wherewithal to deal with all the information. I'm struggling myself but I'm hanging my hat on less than half a dozen issues.

Somebody said to me recently that you can make your decision on whether you see yourself as an employee and like to be ordered around and told what you have to do i.e. be nannied. Or see yourself as an employer and want the freedom to make your own decisions or to apply a bit of initiative and plough your own furrow.
It's a simplification I know but it boils down to whether you are a risk taker or like to be molly coddled and feel secure in your subservience. Oddly enough the farmers have surprised me by going against the recommendation of their union and are reported to support Brexit by about 58%. Now there is a group that have had the molly coddling for 47 years and are fed up with it. They want to take risks and use their initiative which they cannot do under the EU yoke. That has surprised me more than anything else.

Someone said to me recently you will make your vote on whether you are afraid of the future and believe in globalisation and human progress or not.

One side believes that Victorian times can return, that Britannia can rule the waves again, that clocks can be turned back, that human rights, workers rights, free movement etc aren't necessary etc

The other sees the UK realistically for what it is and what it's place in the world is and sees human progress for what it is.

As for risk taking it has always been a question amid calculated risk, most risk taking is just stupidity as when the risk outweighs any potential reward it really serves no good purpose .

So yes you can listen when told not to try to prod electricity wires with a metal pole or you can think to yourself 'mmmm electricity wires doesn't exist in the 1830's and I'm a risk taker who never listens and fry yourself.

 

[EalingBlue2]

And they are all rag cunts.

The BBC or general public? Unfortunately you could well mean both and may lot be wrong.

 

[sir baconface]

Potential migrants or potential markets. It is markets like these where the real potential for growth exists and this is why they are wanted.

If the sole measure is financial benefit, then yes. At what population level do we feel a teensy bit overcrowded, infrastructure over-stretched and the environment spoiled: 80 million, 100 million?