EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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tshirtman said:
I find it somewhat strange that people are using James Dyson as a reason to push for leave,
this is a businessman who's model is fuck everyone else I'm alright jack, let's not forget this bloke moved his entire production line to Malaysia costing 900 jobs here in the UK just to save a few £££
If Dyson say leave then I'm more likely to vote remain.
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And the reason was EU red tape if I remember correctly. He got sick of it.
 
squirtyflower said:
I have sat on the fence throughout, listening to both sides of the argument both on tv and on here. In fact there has been batter debate on here than on tv.
But the lecturing and 'holier than thou' position of the Remain people have made me fall right into the Leave camp
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Both on TV and in general discussion forums the holier than thou attitude of remainers has become one of the vote winners for leave
 
daztrueblue91 said:
We live in a society where it is always somebody else's fault. Too many people want to find a scapegoat and blame all of their problems or failings on something or somebody else. A large basis of the immigration debate seems to be based on this misguided view that the "foreigners are coming over here and taking our jobs". It's an absolute bollocks argument and in my experience I often find that it's the foreigners who come over here who are less likely to progress in a job because of their accent rather than being handed things on a plate.

What happened to people's sense of drive and desire to better themselves? More competition in the workplace should inspire people to work harder and go that one step further. Instead I've found, albeit on a small scale, that it has the opposite effect. Where people think they have the divine right to demand a higher pay or believe that some jobs are below them just because they are British.

Whilst I was at University I worked in a meat factory over the summer months and I'd say that 80% of the workforce were Eastern European. To say that they was hardworking would have been an understatement. I have never worked so hard in my life. Yet despite a workforce which was overwhelmingly foreign, all of the managers and supervisors were British.

I've never been more disillusioned with politics than I am now. It pisses me off how when debating a topic which could have huge ramifications on our future, none of the politicians will answer a single question honestly.
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I haven't heard Farage being caught out lying at the same level as Cameron and Osborne to be fair.
 
YPhrunts said:
You have missed the issue completely. But you are not alone. It's typical of people that want assurances and avoid risks at all costs.
This is not a general election where either side present a manifesto for the future. Boris and Gove are not trying for a political coup and have no manifesto to present. It would be bizarre to want that which is what you want to happen. It's a referendum on the issues as they stand. You know what the EU represents. You either want that or you don't. Stop expecting fantastic plans for the future. That is not in the remit or what this referendum demands.
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Mate....surely you must agree that it shouldnt just be about "what we running away from"......the country also needs to know "what we running towards"....I still believe Boris/Gove need to give reasons/answers for leaving other than.....trying to escape the EU.....just my opinion! It's like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire...Boris still needs to present a case even tho its not a General election....otherwise people dont know what they voting for.....most people on a daily basis dont even know how much/or little the EU affect their daily lives....
 
daztrueblue91 said:
We live in a society where it is always somebody else's fault. Too many people want to find a scapegoat and blame all of their problems or failings on something or somebody else. A large basis of the immigration debate seems to be based on this misguided view that the "foreigners are coming over here and taking our jobs". It's an absolute bollocks argument and in my experience I often find that it's the foreigners who come over here who are less likely to progress in a job because of their accent rather than being handed things on a plate.

What happened to people's sense of drive and desire to better themselves? More competition in the workplace should inspire people to work harder and go that one step further. Instead I've found, albeit on a small scale, that it has the opposite effect. Where people think they have the divine right to demand a higher pay or believe that some jobs are below them just because they are British.

Whilst I was at University I worked in a meat factory over the summer months and I'd say that 80% of the workforce were Eastern European. To say that they was hardworking would have been an understatement. I have never worked so hard in my life. Yet despite a workforce which was overwhelmingly foreign, all of the managers and supervisors were British.

I've never been more disillusioned with politics than I am now. It pisses me off how when debating a topic which could have huge ramifications on our future, none of the politicians will answer a single question honestly.
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Agree with all this but this referendum is not about lazy British workers. They will still be lazy in or out. Even when out We will still need immigration into our country to do the jobs some lazy Brits don't want to do or they feel is beneath them , but more importantly we can manage that alongside skilled workers we need in a coordinated way and manage our population infrastructure and investment in a way that matches our demography, taking the best workers from across the globe.

Lazy gits will always need a kick up the backside.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Mate....surely you must agree that it shouldnt just be about "what we running away from"......the country also needs to know "what we running towards"....I still believe Boris/Gove need to give reasons/answers for leaving other than.....trying to escape the EU.....just my opinion! It's like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire...Boris still needs to present a case even tho its not a General election....otherwise people dont know what they voting for.....most people on a daily basis dont even know how much/or little the EU affect their daily lives....
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There you go again wanting a detailed account for the future. You either believe in our democratic system to produce a plan to move forward after the vote or you believe that it cannot deliver and that the history of our parliamentary process is beyond governing this country for our own good. You are a sceptic glass half empty sort of fella. You are not alone.
Personally I have faith in our democracy to deliver what we need. That's the bottom line.
You want detailed costs of how our EU budget money is going to be spent, where and how much. That is not going to happen. You just haven't grasped what a referendum is about.
 
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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Mate....surely you must agree that it shouldnt just be about "what we running away from"......the country also needs to know "what we running towards"....I still believe Boris/Gove need to give reasons/answers for leaving other than.....trying to escape the EU.....just my opinion! It's like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire...Boris still needs to present a case even tho its not a General election....otherwise people dont know what they voting for.....most people on a daily basis dont even know how much/or little the EU affect their daily lives....
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HIs case is simply not being in the eu and being a sovereign country making our own decisions and trading globally around the world ( both within the European Union and out) , like the vast majority of the countries of the world who seem to get on fine.

It's not more complicated than that.
 
YPhrunts said:
And the reason was EU red tape if I remember correctly. He got sick of it.
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what an absolute crock, Europe didn't stop him building his business up to employ 900 people, this was all about cutting production costs and nothing else.
the bloke is scum, he put 900 families into dire straights because he wasn't earning enough profit.
 
tshirtman said:
what an absolute crock, Europe didn't stop him building his business up to employ 900 people, this was all about cutting production costs and nothing else.
the bloke is scum, he put 900 families into dire straights because he wasn't earning enough profit.
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Spot on. Dyson thinks he's contributing to Britain by sitting in is Executive Box at Arsenal. HIs pure greed didn't allow him to consider the welfare of 900 UK families! Brexit don't give a toss about workers' rights.
 
tshirtman said:
what an absolute crock, Europe didn't stop him building his business up to employ 900 people, this was all about cutting production costs and nothing else.
the bloke is scum, he put 900 families into dire straights because he wasn't earning enough profit.
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He's not alone then. Kraft taking Cadbury production to Poland....
Perhaps Dyson would still be here if he could employ cheap labour from Romania. Oh hang on he could. So it's not about cheap labour then.
 
It's a tough one.

I personally strongly dislike how easy the EU borders are. I know a guy who took a train from Holland to France last week - no security, no check of ticket at any point. That's very worrying, you haven't a clue who's coming in or out.

Immigration is a problem IMO - some small towns and communities are full with immigrants who mostly don't even attempt to learn the language or integrate themselves within the community. The whole "coming over here and taking our jobs" thing is laughed at, but there is a degree of truth to it. Bosses in the public sector are almost forced to hire immigrants due to diversity rules - some who are qualified, some who are not. I know this first hand. The number of immigrants coming in is way, way above the number of jobs becoming available and that's a bloody enormous problem.

However, leaving the EU and placing all our faith and trust in David Cameron? I'm not sure about that. A good PM and leaving the EU would be a no brainer.
 
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tshirtman said:
what an absolute crock, Europe didn't stop him building his business up to employ 900 people, this was all about cutting production costs and nothing else.
the bloke is scum, he put 900 families into dire straights because he wasn't earning enough profit.
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If it wasn't for his innovation, those 900 would never have had a job in the first place.
Profit is what keeps businesses growing, if costs can be minimised, they will adopt certain strategies and utilise them.
Sad for some, I agree, but father Christmas he isn't.
 
YPhrunts said:
You have missed the issue completely. But you are not alone. It's typical of people that want assurances and avoid risks at all costs.
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Bang on the money mate.

Its no coincidence that remain is targeting the generations that have been spoon fed "There are no winners and losers" at school sports days and brought up thinking conkers can only be played wearing safety goggles.

The EU is not working, its broken and corrupt, our trade has not been growing with the EU, its been falling, our GDP growth rate stalled the day we joined, the argument that immigration is a good thing has been exposed as a completely different animal to MASS immigration that simple damages the host.

Common sense tells you we simply can not build houses or schools fast enough for the levels (Even if we could afford it), so the only thing that WILL happen is more homeless, jobless, and poorly educated people.
 
tshirtman said:
what an absolute crock, Europe didn't stop him building his business up to employ 900 people, this was all about cutting production costs and nothing else.
the bloke is scum, he put 900 families into dire straights because he wasn't earning enough profit.
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How many do you employ?
 
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