Jose Gimenez

Akiva said:
I keep seeing people suggest this, for various people, but it's not Pep's job to fix overpaid and underperforming players.

Turning Mangala into something other than a defensive liability is a distraction that can easily be avoided by replacing him.
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Just as with Sterling. :-)
 
Akiva said:
I keep seeing people suggest this, for various people, but it's not Pep's job to fix overpaid and underperforming players.

Turning Mangala into something other than a defensive liability is a distraction that can easily be avoided by replacing him.
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Pep's job is very much to fix under-performing players, to suggest anything else is ridiculous. That's a managers job - get players performing well, and with that, riase the team's performance.

Guardiola's ability to get the best out of players and to improve them as individuals is a major reason why he's considered the best coach in the world.
 
JugglesTheMighty said:
I don't know if anyone else has this feeling (probably not), but I'd rather Guardiola turn Mangala into Boateng II. He has every physical attribute for the Prem, just lacks that mental training for football. Plus Gimenez has a £50m release clause. I see something in the lad.
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Turning him into a Boateng would take a miracle. Boateng is perhaps the best "ball playing" defender out there. Have you seen his passing? I can't name a defender with better distribution. Mangala has the physical qualities, but unfortunately lacks the technical aspect.
 
BlueCityfan said:
Turning him into a Boateng would take a miracle. Boateng is perhaps the best "ball playing" defender out there. Have you seen his passing? I don't know a defender with better distribution than him. Mangala has the physical qualities, but unfortunately lacks the technical aspect.
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Unbelievably there are still some fans who don't rate Boateng. That tackle he made on lewandowski was one of the best moments of the tournament so far. I think Mangala has the technique. Decision making has been an issue. I think if he got games, he'd settle down and improve. City need a settled regular defensive partnership but we have not had that for a while.
 
Does this mean Gimenez is plan B for Laporte or instead of Stones?....There were reports we had interest in signing 2 CB's but all seems silent on the Stones front...
 
JugglesTheMighty said:
I don't know if anyone else has this feeling (probably not), but I'd rather Guardiola turn Mangala into Boateng II. He has every physical attribute for the Prem, just lacks that mental training for football. Plus Gimenez has a £50m release clause. I see something in the lad.
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You can't turn shit into gold
 
Pairing Gimenez with Stones makes more sense than Laporte if you think about it. Laporte and Stones are kind of similar, while Gimenez is a different type. More brutish.
Stones/Laporte = Pique
Gimenez = Puyol
 
BlueCityfan said:
Turning him into a Boateng would take a miracle. Boateng is perhaps the best "ball playing" defender out there. Have you seen his passing? I can't name a defender with better distribution. Mangala has the physical qualities, but unfortunately lacks the technical aspect.
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Bonucci... But we aren't after him.

Gimenez isn't a ball-playing centreback, either. He is definitely closer to Otamendi than Boateng or Bonucci.
 
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domalino said:
Pep's job is very much to fix under-performing players, to suggest anything else is ridiculous. That's a managers job - get players performing well, and with that, riase the team's performance.

Guardiola's ability to get the best out of players and to improve them as individuals is a major reason why he's considered the best coach in the world.
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Getting the most out if a player does equal fixing a player.

Pep indeed gets the most out of his players, but he's not one to waste the time and resources on a reclamation project.
 
Akiva said:
I keep seeing people suggest this, for various people, but it's not Pep's job to fix overpaid and underperforming players.

Turning Mangala into something other than a defensive liability is a distraction that can easily be avoided by replacing him.
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Didn't you say this about Fernando until his last few months ?
 
Akiva said:
Getting the most out if a player does equal fixing a player.

Pep indeed gets the most out of his players, but he's not one to waste the time and resources on a reclamation project.
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Based on what exactly?

In Pep Confidential, Pep and his team talk extensively about how, if a player is willing to work to improve, Pep will put in just as much effort as the player, and that one of his fundamental beliefs is that a players ability, down to the very basic techniques is not fixed, and can be improved on.

They talk about it in depth, and how Pep worked incredibly hard to turn Eric Abidal, who at the time was a player known only for his pace and physicality as a defender, who was on the brink of being sold, into one of the best left backs in the world, with great ability on the ball.

They stress that as long as the player is determined to improve, Guardiola will be committed to improving them.

And that's before even mentioning the fact that Mangala is not some league 2 player who ended up in our squad. There was a reason the club was prepared to pay so much money for him and why he was one of the highest rated young defenders around at the time.

He had a shit time under Pellegrini - like Nastasic, Lescott, Otamendi and actually Kompany too. If he's still here by September I'm sure he'll be twice the player he was last season, and Pep will put a huge amount of work in with him.
 
Dax777 said:
Is he? Or is Athletico's defensive style make it easier to look a good defender?
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It's definitely both. Someone's system and the way the squad is drilled definitely plays a part. He's made it so their CBs are virtually interchangeable, because they know exactly what has to be done in every situation.

Lucas Hernandez came into the CBs in the CL semi for his European debut and you would have thought he'd been there for years. That's Simeone's coordination of the team.

However Gimenez also excels for Uruguay so there's no doubting his talent as well.
 
domalino said:
Based on what exactly?

In Pep Confidential, Pep and his team talk extensively about how, if a player is willing to work to improve, Pep will put in just as much effort as the player, and that one of his fundamental beliefs is that a players ability, down to the very basic techniques is not fixed, and can be improved on.

They talk about it in depth, and how Pep worked incredibly hard to turn Eric Abidal, who at the time was a player known only for his pace and physicality as a defender, who was on the brink of being sold, into one of the best left backs in the world, with great ability on the ball.

They stress that as long as the player is determined to improve, Guardiola will be committed to improving them.

And that's before even mentioning the fact that Mangala is not some league 2 player who ended up in our squad. There was a reason the club was prepared to pay so much money for him and why he was one of the highest rated young defenders around at the time.

He had a shit time under Pellegrini - like Nastasic, Lescott, Otamendi and actually Kompany too. If he's still here by September I'm sure he'll be twice the player he was last season, and Pep will put a huge amount of work in with him.
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Well said!
 
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