EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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They aren't able to make a plan as they aren't in government. If you're very interested, UKIP's manifesto at the last GE was an independently costed view of what we could do outside the EU.

Rubbish. Some of them are part of the government for a start. Second this isn't an election its a referendum so that shouldn't matter - Boris tells us he's not after Daves job he just wants a Brexit. Well I'd expect any competent politician to have planned what to do in the event of a win.
 
Anyway, leaving Pam's pussy to one side, I'm just reading the so-called Five Presidents' Report put out last year by the EU. It's not actually called The Five Presidents' Report but its real title is
"Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union". The authors were Jean Claude Juncker with Mario Draghi, Donald Tusk, Jeroen Dijsselbloem and Martin Schulz. They are the presidents of the main EU bodies, hence the "Five Presidents".

It can be found at: https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/sites/beta-political/files/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

Here's the opening paragraph in the introduction:

In other words, they want a single monetary and fiscal policy across the EU.

First couple of sentences in Part 1 (try not to laugh too much when you read it): Yes - they really said that.

And there's more:

And what are these further steps?

There's plenty more like this and it all sounds very reasonable and democratic but the meaning is quite clear. We will make the important decisions and tell you about them afterwards. But occasionally the mask slips a bit. Like here, for example:

Let me put that into English - we'll take the big economic decisions and we'll tell you how much we need you to raise in tax and give to us the we'll give you your spending money. How you raise it and spend it is up to you however, as long as you raise what we need and don't spend more than we allow you to. And that's going to be completed in the next ten years.

So if you vote Remain on Thursday, be very clear what you're voting for.


Recession. We WILL make all the economic decisions and decide what we are to spend the money on - its just there will be a lot less of it. Even the Leave campaign admits that.
 
Those who made up there mind either way wont change, its the ones who haven't made there mind up, I'd say the majority of them will vote to remain, just because the mentally of people and change stick or twist err. Stick.
 
But just repeating an advertising slogan and saying this and that will get better is bollocks - I'd like to think that in the event of a win on Thursday then of Friday morning they would know what they were doing - not sitting down and saying " Oh fuck we actually won what do we do now.... "
silver bullet, whooooooosh!
 
Yeah, one thing for sure the country will go through a turbulence few years but we will come through it as a stronger country because history shows that.

So the question people need to ask themselves is are they in a position to weather an indeterminable period of turbulence with no guarantee of job security or economic stability.
 
Recession. We WILL make all the economic decisions and decide what we are to spend the money on - its just there will be a lot less of it. Even the Leave campaign admits that.
Wrong. What even the Remain campaign are saying is that if we leave, there will still be growth but we won't grow as quickly as we would if we stayed in.
 
Rubbish. Some of them are part of the government for a start. Second this isn't an election its a referendum so that shouldn't matter - Boris tells us he's not after Daves job he just wants a Brexit. Well I'd expect any competent politician to have planned what to do in the event of a win.

Boris can't outline his plan for what to do in the event of a Leave vote because, as it stands, he won't be in a position to enact that plan, which is exactly what you've said there.

I'd also expect any competent government to have a contingency plan in case they lose the referendum and frankly, Cameron and Osbourne's suggestion that they will raise taxes by 2p and further slash spending is absolutely ludicrous.
 
Boris can't outline his plan for what to do in the event of a Leave vote because, as it stands, he won't be in a position to enact that plan, which is exactly what you've said there.

I'd also expect any competent government to have a contingency plan in case they lose the referendum and frankly, Cameron and Osbourne's suggestion that they will raise taxes by 2p and further slash spending is absolutely ludicrous.
The Civil Service will have prepared a plan for both eventualities as soon as the referendum was promised.
 
Wrong. What even the Remain campaign are saying is that if we leave, there will still be growth but we won't grow as quickly as we would if we stayed in.

Sorry you are just incorrect. Several prominent Leave campaigners have agreed there will be economic consequences - Farage I think said thats a price worth paying to take back sovereignty ( whatever that means ) - Boris tonight just didn't answer when asked how many jobs did he think would be lost - aside from all that 90% of economists ( all morons we know coz Leave have told us ) and George Soros have warned of the effect.

What you refer to is projected mid to long term growth which is expected to be slower and could take up to 20 years to get the economy back to where it is today.
 
Listen to Boris about the Balkans. I was there too. The EU were criminal in their neglect and it took NATO to step in lead by the US to put a stop to things. It is the perfect example of where our security really lies.
 
I have turned off #bbcdebate, I am sick of Sadiq Khan's aggression constantly shouting liar at Boris. I don't know what's worse, Ruth Davidson's nagging of "Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris,Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris,Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris,Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris,Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris," or her misquotations of the House of Commons library on the amount of laws created by the EU..
 
Boris can't outline his plan for what to do in the event of a Leave vote because, as it stands, he won't be in a position to enact that plan, which is exactly what you've said there.

I'd also expect any competent government to have a contingency plan in case they lose the referendum and frankly, Cameron and Osbourne's suggestion that they will raise taxes by 2p and further slash spending is absolutely ludicrous.

Eh? So Leave may have a plan but they can't tell us coz its a secret and anyway if they win their plan won't happen?? Why vote Leave then?

Remain make their contingency plan known and because it doesn't promise sunny uplands in the event of Leave winning they are incompetent and have no credible plan?

Fingers in ears la la la la la time?
 
these remainers on tv think the louder they shout the more sense they make, theyre embarrasing
 
Funny how the leave Tories bang on about the unelected commissioners but I don't hear them campaigning for the House of Lords to be scrapped.
 
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