EU referendum

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

The European Commission issued a statement saying that it was "disappointed" in the Swiss referendum on immigration restriction result but would wait to study how exactly the outcome of the referendum affects the relations between Switzerland and the European Union.[20] European Commission vice-president Viviane Reding stated that the result of the referendum could jeopardise Switzerland's access to the European single market, saying "The single market is not Swiss cheese."[21]

Cheers mate......sounds like the EU not going to let Switzerland have their cake (I mean cheese!;) and eat it.....this is pretty much how I see it going for the UK if we leave....EU will say any trade deal will have to go hand in hand with "freedom of movement"....sounds like Swiss cant even put caps on those numbers? thanks for posting mate!;) genuinely didnt know how that situation was going....

 

[Gaz in Zurich]

But what with? The time to leave was when we had industry. Now - after we sold most of it off to foreign owners ( steel is a great example ) and they closed it down leaving us with those low paid service sector jobs you mention what do we have to offer what do we have to export.....

The UK has always had, and still has, entrepreneurial geniuses. We have created some of the biggest most iconic brands (Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Virgin etc) the world has ever seen so why would that not continue? It might take a few years for it to flourish again, but this vote isn't about now..its for our children and grandchildren's futures. At least if we are in charge of our own destiny we can pick and choose the best talent and choose who we do business with and on what terms. At the moment the countries with the cheapest work force seem to come out on top

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Before we joined we had many industries, car and steel for instance. Now we have nothing..We have just have low paid service sector jobs, as everything else as been hawked off.
In charge of our own destiny our jobs won't be easily moved elsewhere.

Part of the reason we joined was because our industries were on the way out. Our car industry was the laughing stock and we had power cuts. We had failed to invest in manufacturing and the chickens came home to roost

 

[EalingBlue2]

I live in Switzerland and they are doing just fine being not being in it. They even voted recently to pull out of the free movement of people, as they could see no benefit being in it, only negetives.
Everytime I go back to the UK I despair how bad its becoming.
Voting leave is nothing to do with Racism..It's about regaining control and choosing our own destiny (good or bad) like the Swiss do.
We did pretty good before we joined, and can see no reason why the that shouldn't continue.
The only ones to benefit by staying in are the fat cats, and they don't want the gravy train to end.

They are doing fine but pay more than the UK per head, have no say and have free movement of labour. They have voted against free movement of labour and have been told they will lose all trade deals of they go ahead so the political class are quivering as they either lose a lot of money or they lose their appearance of sovereignty and they know get cant afford either.

 

[blueish swede]

It's written by the same expert economists the pro-Remain posters keep telling us we should listen to. And they're saying that the worst case scenario is that there will be a less than 0.5% hit to GDP for 12 months if we leave. On the other hand, if we stay, within 10 years the EU central finance ministry will be telling us how much tax we need to raise (although it'll be up to us how we raise it) and how much we can spend (although it'll be up to us how we spend it).

No they're not. They are saying in a moderate scenario there will be a -0.1% fall in GDP/quarter compared to a 0.5%/quarter growth if Britain stays in the EU. The worst case scenario shows a -1% fall in GDP in the first quarter alone then a steady decline of -0.4% per quarter before it stagnates at the end of 2017.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_print.pdf page 49.

 

[mcfc1632]

Latest headlines are that three "independent expert bodies" have proclaimed that a vote to leave will be economically disastrous.

I always look to see where these "independent" organisations get their funding from and, hey ho, in all cases it's the government and the EU who provide the vast majority. Well what a surprise.

Hang on PB - they are right it will be - for their gravy train......

 

[Pam]

The UK has always had, and still has, entrepreneurial geniuses. We have created some of the biggest most iconic brands (Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Virgin etc) the world has ever seen so why would that not continue? It might take a few years for it to flourish again, but this vote isn't about now..its for our children and grandchildren's futures. At least if we are in charge of our own destiny we can pick and choose the best talent and choose who we do business with and on what terms. At the moment the countries with the cheapest work force seem to come out on top

Fucking stop it. Rolls Royce would beg to diffe, as would Virgin.

 

[CityStu]

Cheers mate......sounds like the EU not going to let Switzerland have their cake (I mean cheese!;) and eat it.....this is pretty much how I see it going for the UK if we leave....EU will say any trade deal will have to go hand in hand with "freedom of movement"....sounds like Swiss cant even put caps on those numbers? thanks for posting mate!;) genuinely didnt know how that situation was going....

The EU have to give us a comparable trade deal to their most important trading partners as per WTO rules. I've seen that the Americans trade at 3% currently. They may require us to accept freedom of movement for free trade, but I'd be inclined to fuck that off.

 

[CityStu]

Fucking stop it. Rolls Royce would beg to diffe, as would Virgin.

Do you even read the posts you reply to?

 

[Blue Mooner]

It's amazing that the two countries on the European continent that are not part of the EU are both the ones that have the highest GDP per head of population. For the uninitiated that means the amount of income they generate per head of population. Which basically means that the people are generally wealthier. Think I'll take my chances on the outside thank-you.

On trade we buy over $100billion of goods and services from Germany every year but sell $51billion to Germany every year. Why on earth would the Germans (who basically run the EU) want to make it more difficult to sell to the UK when they can I'll afford to lose income. It's cutting your nose off to spite your face.

The remain campaign are not selling any benefits of the EU because there aren't really any. Instead they roll out vested interests to propagate fear amongst people founded on skewed models that give the output they want.

Our single biggest export ,market by country is the US at $51 billion annually and we don't have any trade agreement with the US - mainly because we aren't allowed to by the EU

Let's not even start on immigration......

I'm voting out because I believe in our country and want us to have control over our own destiny. That's not isolationist we have had a special relationship with the US for decades and no reason why that shouldn't continue with the EU.

 

[lazerblue]

They are doing fine but pay more than the UK per head, have no say and have free movement of labour. They have voted against free movement of labour and have been told they will lose all trade deals of they go ahead so the political class are quivering as they either lose a lot of money or they lose their appearance of sovereignty and they know get cant afford either.

fuck the bullies then all the more reason to pull out and start the dominoes falling behind us

 

[EalingBlue2]

Part of the reason we joined was because our industries were on the way out. Our car industry was the laughing stock and we had power cuts. We had failed to invest in manufacturing and the chickens came home to roost

Exactly some people blame the EU for the results of Thatcherism and the tide of history. Auto industry has died or suffered chronically in most of the non EU west too and worse than much of the EU . But if people are deluded enough to blame everything bad on the EU there's not much you can say , that seems the crucial in Benoit difference.

In can generally acknowledge good and bad of Europe and that many factors are imvolved but there is an element of Brexit who have a religious blind faith and zeal as if the EU is Saran himself and responsible for all bad in the world

 

[Gaz in Zurich]

Part of the reason we joined was because our industries were on the way out. Our car industry was the laughing stock and we had power cuts. We had failed to invest in manufacturing and the chickens came home to roost

You surely can't believe that. our engineers are the most respected in the world, our IT guys are some of the best if not the best in the world. Most are forced to work abroad because they are undercut by cheap imports in our own country from conglomerates that put profit before quality.

 

[mcfc1632]

well done, a picture is worth a thousand words - or a zillion of the fishy one's bollocks

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Cheers mate......sounds like the EU not going to let Switzerland have their cake (I mean cheese!;) and eat it.....this is pretty much how I see it going for the UK if we leave....EU will say any trade deal will have to go hand in hand with "freedom of movement"....sounds like Swiss cant even put caps on those numbers? thanks for posting mate!;) genuinely didnt know how that situation was going....

It was interesting that the Brexiters couldn't give assurances that immigration would reduce, even if free movement within the EU.

I only caught bits and pieces between the football but Boris gave the better closing speech.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Cheers mate......sounds like the EU not going to let Switzerland have their cake (I mean cheese!;) and eat it.....this is pretty much how I see it going for the UK if we leave....EU will say any trade deal will have to go hand in hand with "freedom of movement"....sounds like Swiss cant even put caps on those numbers? thanks for posting mate!;) genuinely didnt know how that situation was going....

You have to understand that Switzerland has no choice but to do it. The people have voted twice on this matter and the government has no choice. The EU being the undemocratic body that it is doesn't care and is trying to threaten but in doing so they are driving opinion against them even more. The semi direct democracy in Switzerland means this issue is decided and it would take constitutional change for that not to happen. Trust me, that aint going to happen.

 

[blueish swede]

The UK has always had, and still has, entrepreneurial geniuses. We have created some of the biggest most iconic brands (Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Virgin etc) the world has ever seen so why would that not continue? It might take a few years for it to flourish again, but this vote isn't about now..its for our children and grandchildren's futures. At least if we are in charge of our own destiny we can pick and choose the best talent and choose who we do business with and on what terms. At the moment the countries with the cheapest work force seem to come out on top

The UK is £1.6 trillion in debt and rising. It is never going to be in charge of it's own destiny whilst it is in hock. The best talent is saying loud and clear it doesn't want to go to or stay in an isolated, xenophobic UK. Why would they? Sidney or Southport beach - it's a tough choice!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

No they're not. They are saying in a moderate scenario there will be a -0.1% fall in GDP/quarter compared to a 0.5%/quarter growth if Britain stays in the EU. The worst case scenario shows a -1% fall in GDP in the first quarter alone then a steady decline of -0.4% per quarter before it stagnates at the end of 2017.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_print.pdf page 49.

And the best case?

Oh yes, they didn't bother with that one because they didn't want to know.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Everyone on here supporting remain suddenly cares shit loads about the same economy they didn't care about when the cuts started to be made. Same economy different motives


Won't somebody please think of the economy!!?

 

[EalingBlue2]

fuck the bullies then all the more reason to pull out and start the dominoes falling behind us

If you want x you pay y, that isn't bullying that is one of the very basic elements of life. Do you k ie of a world where deals are not quid pro quo. Next Time you go to the supermarket ask not to pay as its bullying