EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Gaz in Belgium said:
Average wage in EU €17640 per year
Average wage in Switzerland €71432
This is what being out of Europe equates too.

I left the Uk years ago when cheap labor imports forced me out. I now live in Switzerland after spending years in Germany,France, Belgium and now Switzerland. I shouldn't really care what happens with the vote, as i'm living in the nearest thing to disneyland, but the fact is I have grandchildren there, that I want to see able to have a job, and buy a house and live in peace.
Letting in half of Europe (with 80 mil Turkish soon too join) isn't going to help that, in such a small country as the UK, which will then have knock on effects on the NHS, Schools, housing costs, traffic etc.
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Hi....can I just say we've been apart of the european union for 30+ years and today only 5% of our population is from the EU.....even with "freedom of movement" for so many years...5% is just not the issue and when you think nearly 45% of immigration is from "outside" the EU when we have full control over that...I really dont see this as a big enough problem to vote out....we should be doing a better job of controling non EU immigration and training British people to do these jobs. and the point about Turkey? I really dont believe they be enjoying free movement across europe for a very long time...I wouldnt let either of these issues,cause me to vote out and risk the economy....EU has its problems but if we had a stronger government, we could fix some of these problems at home....I prefer to fix our own problems first or we'll find nothing changes....just my opinion!
 
worsleyweb said:
Only caught the last half hour. Fantastic closing speech by Boris. Really do hoe for future generations that we have the guts to leave. If we don't I will accept the majority decision with good grace and kick on.
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Haven't seen the speech so can't comment but agree with the latter part - whatever the result it's inperative everyone accepts it and makes the best of the outcome . The one thing guaranteed to damage the country either way is sore losers trying to scupper things post vote
 
Tuearts right boot said:
A tree huggers charter. We can do that anyway.
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EalingBlue2 said:
Again if people are happy to pay more and have lower quality what you say is absolutely fine. It flies in the face of historical evidence, capitalism and rational economic thought but in s

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ome ways I like it - sounds a bit like communism and maybe it's time to experiment with it again .
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You know here in Switzerland, the locals have such a Swiss identity that they only pay for Swiss food when possible, Swiss products when possible as well, even though they cost a lot more than the imported products. The reason being is they are paid a Swiss liveable wage so are not scraping for every penny. If the UK stopped importing cheap labor (that sleep 10 to a bedroom) then employers would have to pay a decent wage that would enable a person who wasn't prepared to share with 9 others a decent wage. They would then not be haggling over a few pennies at the local supermarket and would choose to back their own countries products.
At the moment in the Uk every penny counts, so they will buy from whoever, if they had enough income I think they would be more loyal.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The UK budget deficit is around 5% of GDP currently. The EU's rules specify a maximum of 3%. When the EU starts to consolidate fiscal and monetary policy in the next two years we'll have no choice but to reduce to that level. That will involve far worse austerity than we've seen so far and Osborne knows that. Austerity, as we already know, acts as a drag on growth. So Osborne's rather optimistic projections based on staying in are nonsense. But by the time we realise that, it'll be too late.
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You don't half talk some shite, you really do.
 
Gaz in Belgium said:
You surely can't believe that. our engineers are the most respected in the world, our IT guys are some of the best if not the best in the world. Most are forced to work abroad because they are undercut by cheap imports in our own country from conglomerates that put profit before quality.
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Clueless, absolutely clueless.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
sadiq khan was so annoying during that debate he was just shouting over everything. i think Boris johnson got his points across well, hopefully it can help to convince more people to vote leave
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I only say the immigration section and the end speeches. Sadiq gave the Brexiters a good caning during the immigration part but I could see he would get annoying if he carried on with that intensity throughout.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You don't half talk some shite, you really do.
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Debate properly or piss off. The only coherent poster on the Remain side is EB2. The rest of you have just posted slogans and cut-and-paste jobs or just offered insults. And yesterday, when you accused me of lying about that poster doing just that, I know exactly where he copied and pasted it from.
 
CityStu said:
I'd never vote Remain because I just know we are better off Leaving. Try coming up with arguments that aren't stupid.

That's just such a pessimistic view. Why will the struggling French economy be able to offer these incentives that the UK can't match? Why are the EU going to screw the UK on trade yet we won't be able to screw them, despite us buying more from them than they buy from us? The customer is always right after all.

I'm looking forward to simple new trade agreements with other countries. Who needs French wine when we've negotiated Australian and Chilean wine to come in far more cheaply?
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so because my - rational - arguments don't match your aspirations they are stupid?

Why wouldn't industry that is owned from within the EU that finds itself outside the EU be moved back inside the EU by its owners? I am not suggesting this will happen overnight but the French, Germans and EU in general would prefer to see this production inside its own borders contributing to and boosting the GDP within the EU so will gladly help them make it happen.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Hi....can I just say we've been apart of the european union for 30+ years and today only 5% of our population is from the EU.....even with "freedom of movement" for so many years...5% is just not the issue and when you think nearly 45% of immigration is from "outside" the EU when we have full control over that...I really dont see this as a big enough problem to vote out....we should be doing a better job of controling non EU immigration and training British people to do these jobs. and the point about Turkey? I really dont believe they be enjoying free movement across europe for a very long time...I wouldnt let either of these issues,cause me to vote out and risk the economy....EU has its problems but if we had a stronger government, we could fix some of these problems at home....I prefer to fix our own problems first or we'll find nothing changes....just my opinion!
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You know, I agree with you on that point about fixing the problems, but no government is strong enough. You say we have been in it for 30+ years, but it's since 2004 when the 8 eastern european countries entered the uk that the problems have arisen. How can you fix it when the definition, says free movement, which is the core mantra of the treaty and can't be altered. Of course poor eastern Euro countries are going to head for the richer countries. I'm in Switzerland for the very same reason, except that I had to prove I was capable and had no criminal record and would be an asset to the country. I am not begging on the streets of Zurich, and would soon be removed if I was. Thats not the case in the UK..too many freeloaders and undesirables are now there.
The economy will be ok in the longterm , London is the financial capital of Europe, it will drive us through the initial down currents. The rest of Europe is more worried about losing us. If we leave, a lot more will follow, then it will be back to how it was.
 
bluethrunthru said:
so because my - rational - arguments don't match your aspirations they are stupid?

Why wouldn't industry that is owned from within the EU that finds itself outside the EU be moved back inside the EU by its owners?
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Because even in a worst case scenario where the EU impose tariffs, it's still far easier to set up a business and close it down in the UK than in France, Belgium, Germany, Holland etc.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I only say the immigration section and the end speeches. Sadiq gave the Brexiters a good caning during the immigration part but I could see he would get annoying if he carried on with that intensity throughout.
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That's all the remain camp had...intensity and yet more scaremongering. Boris was right to remind that Scottish loud mouth that after the death of Joe Cox everybody agreed that the discussions should become less fraught yet immediately Ruth Davidson starts spitting and frothing at the mouth and Khan starts accusing people of lying...it was his most frequently used put down. No wonder people are getting wound up by this sort of behaviour. And then Amber Rudd in the review afterwards who had personally attacked Johnson on live TV a few days before the murder of Joe Cox started up her vitriol again. Horrible woman. She should carry some guilt for the tragic circumstances that followed her rant last week. When she was asked about her behaviour in a radio phone in the following day she said Boris had taken it as a joke. Yeah right. I expect he went home to his wife and laughed off the fact that he was made to look like a philandering twat on live TV. I expect his wife had a good chuckle about it too.
So all in all I think Remain let themselves down with more bluster and shouty politics.
 
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On the immigration question it was notable that whilst Leave goes big on "taking back control" they couldn't answer questions relating as to how they would limit immigration effectively from inside nor outside the EU nor did they have any view to offer on by how much taking back control would actually reduce the amount of immigration.

I know Dave has got himself in bother by stupidly putting a target figure on it ( against all advice to do so which I did post on here several weeks ago) but I'd expect them to approximate or give an idea of their expectations.

It just shows they have no actual plan and will be absolutely fucked when just saying take back control doesn't actually stop people coming here.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Debate properly or piss off. The only coherent poster on the Remain side is EB2. The rest of you have just posted slogans and cut-and-paste jobs or just offered insults. And yesterday, when you accused me of lying about that poster doing just that, I know exactly where he copied and pasted it from.
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So thats 1-0 to remain.
I think you have confused yep with everyone.
 
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