EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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bluethrunthru said:
Now I get it........ long term strategic planning !! The Establishment knew this day would come so mindful of the Chinese economic powerhouse that was coming and aware of how we'd fucked them off in the Opium Wars we kept the Chinese sweet withe the "gift" of the return of Honkers 20 years ago .... nice. Shrewd and fuckin clever I have to say.....
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Hong Kong was ceded to us as a result of the first Opium war. Giving it back should have closed the book on any outstanding issues relating to the Opium wars.
 
Why a vote to leave might not be the final answer

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mcfc1632 said:
exactly - I was not wanting to waste too much effort in a reply to Pam.

I meant only that her political actions and the murderers mental issues which made her his target well predated the decision to hold a referendum.

The incident was nothing to do with the referendum and attempts by some Remainers to link it only demonstrates the shallowness of their arguments and principles
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Garbage!. The fucker told the court that traitors should die and put Britain first. He was saying the same thing when he was stabbing, shooting and kicking a person to death because she didnt happen to agree with him and wasn't an ill--informed, poorly educated, cringe-worthy Little Englander. Meanwhile, cunty UKIP are erecting posters bearing an uncanny similarity to posters the Nazis used as Hitler was coming to power. You would defend these twats whatever happens, it seems?! You're scraping the bottom of the barrel. If she didn't die for her political beliefs, what did she die for?
 
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mcfc1632 said:
exactly - I was not wanting to waste too much effort in a reply to Pam.

I meant only that her political actions and the murderers mental issues which made her his target well predated the decision to hold a referendum.

The incident was nothing to do with the referendum and attempts by some Remainers to link it only demonstrates the shallowness of their arguments and principles
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it was everything to do with the referendum, and even now the leave campaign have a bad case of nazi tourettes
without the relentless stream of bile from the leave campaign she would most likely be alive, the leave campaign has damaged the fabric of this country regardless of the result, which is what many of its fucked up supporters wanted anyway
 
halfcenturyup said:
We will be joing the Euro and Schengen anyway if we stay in, in my opinion. Just a question of time and it's folly to think we won't.

(Edited for) But yes, if we leave and want back in, why on God's green earth would they let us in with the same terms as we left. On the other hand, we would presumably only want back in if it was such a mess that we wouldn't care about Schengen and the Euro.
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I think we're more likely to have to join Schengen if we leave as it will be a condition for access to the free market, in the same way that Norway and Switzerland are in it.

There's absolutely no way that any government will accept the Euro without another referendum.
 
Chippy_boy said:
We are already committed to eliminating the deficit by 2020, whether in or out of the EU. That's already factored into the plan, based on the economy growing.

If we were to leave the EU, do you think we'd suddenly have a big increase in growth? No, of course we fucking wouldn't, quite the opposite. Growth would slow or stop and quite possibly we'd go into recession. That would mean even deeper austerity, and for even longer.

In other words, you were talking utter shite, and not for the first time on this thread. I expected better from you, I really did.
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We were "committed" to eliminating the deficit by 2015. Remind me how that went? Most of these experts we keep talking about feel there's a good chance that Georgie-boy ain't going to hit 2020 either so we'll have to wait and see.

And I've never said growth will increase if we leave the EU. The forecasts suggest there may be a short recession or lower growth, then lower growth over the longer term but economic forecasts aren't particularly reliable and no one, least of all the likes of me and you, knows what will happen. There are so many variables that might impact things, including a further Eurozone crisis.
 
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Monkfish said:
interesting, what about a vote to stay, that just the end of it or we got any similar scenarios?
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Not seen anything equivalent but I'd like to think that if Cameron's negotiated deal doesn't go through it would force another referendum (not that his deal is worth much - it's more the principle). Doubt it though.
 
Monkfish said:
it was everything to do with the referendum, and white middle aged males, and even now the leave campaign headed by middle aged white males have a bad case of nazi tourettes
without the relentless stream of bile from the white middle aged males of the leave campaign she would most likely be alive, the white middle aged males of the leave campaign has damaged the fabric of this country regardless of the result, which is what many of its fucked up supporters especially the white middle aged males wanted anyway
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You missed out your usual targets, so I've helped you along a bit ;-)
 
Monkfish said:
interesting, what about a vote to stay, that just the end of it or we got any similar scenarios?
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I don't think it will go away that easily. I could see a considerable number of 'leave' voters switching to UKIP at the next election as the only real exit party which may give them enough influence to push for another referendum possibly.

Either way UKIP win. If we leave, they get what they wanted. If we stay, I suspect they'll get a huge surge in support.
 
west didsblue said:
Not seen anything equivalent but I'd like to think that if Cameron's negotiated deal doesn't go through it would force another referendum (not that his deal is worth much - it's more the principle). Doubt it though.
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I've thought about this "out means out" stuff. Ever been in an Egyptian shop? They'll quote you a price and you shrug your shoulders. So they go a bit lower and you make a counter offer, to which they shrug their shoulders. So you say thank you and walk out, at which he point they start getting serious and you find out what they'll really sell for.

If there's a Brexit vote tomorrow, I'd expect some reaction from the EU as there'll be a big risk of others going down the same route as us. And as their biggest market and second biggest budget contributor, they really can't afford to let us go without a fight.
 
Markus Kerber is considered Germany’s most influential business lobbyist. As Director General of the Federation of German Industries (BDI), he represents more than 100,000 manufacturing companies in Germany.

"A German industry boss has said it would be "very, very foolish" if the EU imposes trade barriers on the UK in the event it votes to leave the EU.

Markus Kerber, the head of the influential BDI which represents German industry, said his organisation would make the case against such measures.

He said any introduction of tariffs would be "regression to times we thought we'd left behind in the 1970s".

The UK's referendum on whether to leave the EU will be held on Thursday.

"Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries - or between the two political centres, the European Union on the one hand and the UK on the other - would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st Century," Mr Kerber told the BBC's World Service.

"The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have, although it will become more difficult."

Mr Kerber added that any introduction of tariffs would lead to job losses in Germany and the UK."

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Prestwich_Blue said:
I've thought about this "out means out" stuff. Ever been in an Egyptian shop? They'll quote you a price and you shrug your shoulders. So they go a bit lower and you make a counter offer, to which they shrug their shoulders. So you say thank you and walk out, at which he point they start getting serious and you find out what they'll really sell for.

If there's a Brexit vote tomorrow, I'd expect some reaction from the EU as there'll be a big risk of others going down the same route as us. And as their biggest market and second biggest budget contributor, they really can't afford to let us go without a fight.
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they can't afford to let us leave, but can they afford to make us a better offer? We leave they have as many problems as we will have, though I am remain I am pretty surprised they didn't give Cameron more earlier this year
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've thought about this "out means out" stuff. Ever been in an Egyptian shop? They'll quote you a price and you shrug your shoulders. So they go a bit lower and you make a counter offer, to which they shrug their shoulders. So you say thank you and walk out, at which he point they start getting serious and you find out what they'll really sell for.

If there's a Brexit vote tomorrow, I'd expect some reaction from the EU as there'll be a big risk of others going down the same route as us. And as their biggest market and second biggest budget contributor, they really can't afford to let us go without a fight.
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You're right. I'm not convinced that a Brexit vote will ultimately lead to Brexit but one thing's for sure, there will be a huge amount of uncertainty over the next few years which will have a massive negative impact on the economy in the short to medium term. In the long term I don't have a clue what would be better and anyone who thinks they do know is guessing.
 
Monkfish said:
it was everything to do with the referendum, and even now the leave campaign have a bad case of nazi tourettes
without the relentless stream of bile from the leave campaign she would most likely be alive, the leave campaign has damaged the fabric of this country regardless of the result, which is what many of its fucked up supporters wanted anyway
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Are they saying he would have killed her if she was right-wing or Brexit? Jesus Christ, the little England Brigade deserve a fucking recession and to break up the union.
 
There are a couple of posters on this thread that have probably convinced more people to vote the other way than they could ever imagine. Bigoted nasty comments made by them, which just make them look completely childish, it's turned into a personal 'victory' for some if they get what they want which quite frankly is fucking pathetic.

Comparing people that believe vote leave makes them "Little Englanders' and fucking "Nazis" get a grip, you petulant idiots. It's people like you that have turned people I work with and you will only have yourselves to blame if vote out 'wins'. Idiots.

I'm a remainer btw, just.
 
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