EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Jesus, people are screaming at each other in the street. And all because the Tories decided to drag us all into their civil war. Well done to the Stupid Party for fucking us over yet again. And thanks to the ignorant little Englanders (sorry but that's what they are) who seem to be falling for the Brexit lies, thereby jeopardizing the economic well being of millions of people.

For shame.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Hypothetically.... If we were to leave and say to Europe we want to do good business with you and to allow you to sell goods into our market and in return we would like to do the same, but.... By the way we don't want to allow anyone from Europe just to pitch up here and demand houses, education and benefits, all we will need is for them to get a job first, then subject to them having skills we need and doing a job we want done we would welcome anyone from anywhere on the planet into country, oh and of course this will be a two way agreement.... What do you say?
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To trade with the European block as a whole they ask for concessions including free movement and paying in. I'm not sure if these concessions can be wavered as no one has done what you will vote for. I don't think it will be wavered for us.

You seem to be advocating for an Austrailian style points system of needing a job first etc which has been rejected by the leaders of the out campaign.

You also seem to be saying that people from Europe just come here demanding houses and benefits. This is just untrue and I don't know why you would write it.
 
Pam said:
Jesus, people are screaming at each other in the street. And all because the Tories decided to drag us all into their civil war. Well done to the Stupid Party.

For shame.
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This.

They don't give as fuck as they all live nowhere near the decisive hatred being stirred is.
 
"I have to add that the British policymakers and the British voters have to know there will be no kind of any renegotiation... We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give.

"So there will be no kind of renegotiation, nor on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned."

Jean-Paul Juncker being honest about our ability to affect change in the EU.

All along we've been told it's a choice between being on the outside and not being able to influence Europe or being on the inside and having influence. At least that lie is now laid bare.
 
nellyonthewing said:
Cameron thought he could pressure the EU into major concessions-they called his bluff. Cameron now wants a Remain majority so he can say "look I achieved this". The EU will not change ,it will continue to control and grow.
Our forefathers fought to protect us from European tyranny. All we have to do is vote Leave to liberate Europe .
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You're equating the E.U. with Nazi Germany? Seriously?
 
Cheesy said:
"I have to add that the British policymakers and the British voters have to know there will be no kind of any renegotiation... We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give.

"So there will be no kind of renegotiation, nor on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned."

Jean-Paul Juncker being honest about our ability to affect change in the EU.

All along we've been told it's a choice between being on the outside and not being able to influence Europe or being on the inside and having influence. At least that lie is now laid bare.
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Along with any essence that the EU is a democracy...
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
We don't know what will happen if we stay either.

The Euro could collapse or there could be a debt crisis in Portugal or a further one in Greece. There could be serious public disturbances in some countries.

There could be far right or far left governments elected that challenge the EU and its rules. We could be pushed into monetary & political union and have to leave anyway if we reject that.

Pretending everyone will live happily ever after if there's a 50.1% vote in favour of Remain is naive in the extreme. There's no guarantee that we can manage those risks if we stay in better than we manage any from leaving.

My great-grandparents were a young couple with a baby and took the risk of leaving what's now Ukraine in 1901. Life wasn't perfect there but it was what their families knew and it seemed a safer option to most of them to stay put and hope things got better. But they took the risk and endured a terrible journey to a country that didn't exactly welcome them warmly and where they didn't speak the language. There must have been times they longed to be back in their town in Ukraine, with their families but they stuck it out. And because they took that risk, they were still alive in 1945 as opposed to the 200 or so of their immediate relatives who were shot and gassed by the Nazis.
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The UK is exempt from any more Euro bail outs.
 
Cheesy said:
"I have to add that the British policymakers and the British voters have to know there will be no kind of any renegotiation... We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give.

"So there will be no kind of renegotiation, nor on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned."

Jean-Paul Juncker being honest about our ability to affect change in the EU.

All along we've been told it's a choice between being on the outside and not being able to influence Europe or being on the inside and having influence. At least that lie is now laid bare.
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All the evidence you need is right before our eyes as shown in that quote.

Hopefully enough have the courage to vote out tomorrow.
 
argyle said:
To trade with the European block as a whole they ask for concessions including free movement and paying in. I'm not sure if these concessions can be wavered as no one has done what you will vote for. I don't think it will be wavered for us.

You seem to be advocating for an Austrailian style points system of needing a job first etc which has been rejected by the leaders of the out campaign.

You also seem to be saying that people from Europe just come here demanding houses and benefits. This is just untrue and I don't know why you would write it.
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No, you misunderstand me, probably my bad...

Tha Australian system was advocated by Johnson last night, did you not see the debate?

Some people do come to the UK without the means to support themselves, no one has said everyone but some do. When these people cone here they need to be looked after and cared for because they're EU citizens and we do that. They do not have to have a job or money and our Givernment is obliged to house them. I can write thus because it's what's happening - would you prefer I joined you under the duvet and hope it goes away? If you do I've got news for you, it won't go away and I won't stop telling it!
 
Pam said:
Jesus, people are screaming at each other in the street. And all because the Tories decided to drag us all into their civil war. Well done to the Stupid Party for fucking us over yet again. And thanks to the ignorant little Englanders (sorry but that's what they are) who seem to be falling for the Brexit lies, thereby jeopardizing the economic well being of millions of people.

For shame.
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So, if you vote out you're a stupid little Englander?

Fuck me, last week people voting out were thick, then they were racist, now they're little Englanders.

Christ almighty, if my mind hadn't been made up by that busy **** Obama, posts like yours would certainly do it.

Little Englanders......... Jesus!
 
Pam said:
Jesus, people are screaming at each other in the street. And all because the Tories decided to drag us all into their civil war. Well done to the Stupid Party for fucking us over yet again. And thanks to the ignorant little Englanders (sorry but that's what they are) who seem to be falling for the Brexit lies, thereby jeopardizing the economic well being of millions of people.

For shame.
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It is truly amazing to now discover that The Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party, the Late Tony Benn, were all ignorant little Englanders.
I thought them many things but hey-ho, you live and learn.
 
Cheesy said:
"I have to add that the British policymakers and the British voters have to know there will be no kind of any renegotiation... We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give.

"So there will be no kind of renegotiation, nor on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned."

Jean-Paul Juncker being honest about our ability to affect change in the EU.

All along we've been told it's a choice between being on the outside and not being able to influence Europe or being on the inside and having influence. At least that lie is now laid bare.
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It would seem that the only way you can influence the EU is if you were either born in France or Germany
 
Pam said:
Jesus, people are screaming at each other in the street. And all because the Tories decided to drag us all into their civil war. Well done to the Stupid Party for fucking us over yet again. And thanks to the ignorant little Englanders (sorry but that's what they are) who seem to be falling for the Brexit lies, thereby jeopardizing the economic well being of millions of people.

For shame.
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That is the most ignorant, self-righteous, misinformed post I have ever read.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
No, you misunderstand me, probably my bad...

Tha Australian system was advocated by Johnson last night, did you not see the debate?

Some people do come to the UK without the means to support themselves, no one has said everyone but some do. When these people cone here they need to be looked after and cared for because they're EU citizens and we do that. They do not have to have a job or money and our Givernment is obliged to house them. I can write thus because it's what's happening - would you prefer I joined you under the duvet and hope it goes away? If you do I've got news for you, it won't go away and I won't stop telling it!
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This was once true but not anymore. E.U. citizens can't get any benefits for 6 months at the earliest.

Every credible study into immigrants and migrants from the E.U. show they are far less likely to be on benefits than those British born.

Technically if an immigrant/migrant hasn't a job in 6 months they can legally be kicked out but I'm not sure that's happened.
 
malg said:
So, if you vote out you're a stupid little Englander?

Fuck me, last week people voting out were thick, then they were racist, now they're little Englanders.

Christ almighty, if my mind hadn't been made up by that busy **** Obama, posts like yours would certainly do it.

Little Englanders......... Jesus!
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If the screaming hysteria continues, in another half hour, you'll probably be described as an ex member of the Gestapo.
 
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