Not that far from the truth. The closer you get to the centre, the more the lines are blurred.
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Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout
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Not that far from the truth. The closer you get to the centre, the more the lines are blurred.
I too don't mind Cameron. I think he's head and shoulders above anyone else in the Tory party, but he's made a judgement call which has spectacularly failed, notwithstanding how completely unexpected it was. No matter how skilled a politician is, they are only ever one bad call from tarnishing their legacy, as he's done. The repercussions for this vote will echo for a generation and I fear that social cohesion will further fracture in the years ahead. This issue will be a running sore for the peoples of this nation for the foreseeable, which has been caused, or at the very least hugely accentuated, by this referendum.
The United Kingdom, or what remains of it, will be a nation ill at ease with itself for the next decade and beyond. Anyone who cannot see this, is hopelessly deluded.
I feel your pain!
BlueAnorak
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Had a quick peek at my crystal ball earlier and saw the run up to the next election and beyond..
The left dominated Labour party will start a country wide deselection process to purge any anti Corbyn centrists.
Corbyn will win a leadership election and will think he can energise the 18-24 age group who think they've had their future stolen by the elderly. He would have to promise a second referendum or not to activate Article 50 but it won't work because he has an anti-Europe past and won't be believed. Plus, a full-on onslaught from the right-wing media will destroy any credibility he has in the eyes of the wider electorate . The Tories meanwhile will elect a white, privately educated posh person with full nasty party credentials.
Meanwhile, UKIP will hoover up the traditional Labour votes with Farage spouting off about independence and smashing the Westminster elite, and will get a cabinet seat in a right wing Brexit Tory/UKIP coalition government as a reward.
There will be calls for national unity as the great, and under educated, unwashed make it very clear to any non English that they don't belong here - in fact, I expect this to start tomorrow as English mothers at school gates, hurl foul mouthed abuse while advising foreign mothers that they've been voted out and should pack their bags.
No Chance has more chance than Corbyn.
Those who voted leave do not take to kindly to being called racists when their concerns are mainly about their lack of work, poor wages and zero investment in services outside London.
Those who flip flop between parties at elections won't vote for him. Neither will those who want to maintain a nuclear deterrent.
In short a dead duck who has less chance than Foot of winning the election.
whp.blue
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No Chance has more chance than Corbyn.
Those who voted leave do not take to kindly to being called racists when their concerns are mainly about their lack of work, poor wages and zero investment in services outside London.
Those who flip flop between parties at elections won't vote for him. Neither will those who want to maintain a nuclear deterrent.
In short a dead duck who has less chance than Foot of winning the election.
Foot should never be compared to Corbyn as Foot was ten times the Politican Corbyn is and that comes from someone who votes right of centre I would never vote for Foot but I was happy to admit he was a true political icon and next to Corbyn an intellectual giant
The only thing they have in common is their dress sense
kaz7
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Voting on a no confidence thing tomorrow,i hope to god we get rid of him9th member of the Shadow Cabinet gone - Shadow NI minister.
urban genie
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Piss take or pissed up I cannot decide.
kaz7
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Piss take or pissed up I cannot decide.
He has zero self awareness,he will be serious
Foot should never be compared to Corbyn as Foot was ten times the Politican Corbyn is and that comes from someone who votes right of centre I would never vote for Foot but I was happy to admit he was a true political icon and next to Corbyn an intellectual giant
The only thing they have in common is their dress sense
Foot was a fantastic orator, the likes of Healey, Callaghan and Wilson were
Foot should never be compared to Corbyn as Foot was ten times the Politican Corbyn is and that comes from someone who votes right of centre I would never vote for Foot but I was happy to admit he was a true political icon and next to Corbyn an intellectual giant
The only thing they have in common is their dress sense
Michael Foot was also a truly gifted orator, the likes of him, Healey, Callaghan etc were in a different league to the likes of Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell.
malg
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I don't understand how Labour do this stuff. Do the Parliamentary party get to vote 'no confidence' in him and then they have to hold another leadership contest? If so, surely the membership will just voted him in again? Or does he need the support of some MPs to even get to the vote by the membership?Voting on a no confidence thing tomorrow,i hope to god we get rid of him
Mind you, I think the Blairites have been looking for a reason to get rid of him. Their party membership overwhelmingly voted for him as leader, and the MPs have been looking for an excuse to get rid of him. One of their MPs is asking for Parliament to have a Commons vote to ignore the referendum result. So much for listening to the voters. Democracy eh?
He has zero self awareness,he will be serious
Maybe he's just come out of a session with a brass and he's away with the fairies.
BlueAnorak
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Last two standing with the MPs face off against the BR exit leaning Tory grass roots. May has no chance in that respect. Osborne is toast Stephen Crab though a Remainer emphasised his EU scepticism throughout the campaign but thought Camerons renegotiation should be given a go. Probably the only one who can stop Boris as Boris will get through to the play-off with the backing of the BR-exit lobby.
sir baconface
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Write off Boris at your peril. He is innovative, has more charisma than the rest put together and would be the best negotiator too. To those who say he is froth, he has shown his ability in office as Mayor of London, where he barely put a foot wrong.
The metropolitan elite hate him because they fear him. They won't admit this but they know he will appeal to a slice of Labour's core vote too. Toff he may be but he has his finger on the pulse far more than the current Labour regime.
His most difficult hurdle will be overcoming smacked-arse Tories.
The metropolitan elite hate him because they fear him. They won't admit this but they know he will appeal to a slice of Labour's core vote too. Toff he may be but he has his finger on the pulse far more than the current Labour regime.
His most difficult hurdle will be overcoming smacked-arse Tories.
whp.blue
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I will re vote for him when he restandsVoting on a no confidence thing tomorrow,i hope to god we get rid of him
So will loads of deluded party faithful he won"t be out long
Clevers
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mlm
Makes you wonder love them or loathe them politicians used to have presence. I can't think of any of the present ones who have it.
Foot was a fantastic orator, the likes of Healey, Callaghan and Wilson were
Michael Foot was also a truly gifted orator, the likes of him, Healey, Callaghan etc were in a different league to the likes of Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell.
Makes you wonder love them or loathe them politicians used to have presence. I can't think of any of the present ones who have it.
mlm
Makes you wonder love them or loathe them politicians used to have presence. I can't think of any of the present ones who have it.
It's similar to snooker players in the 80s back then most people on the street could name 10 politicians from both parties now most only seem to recognise a few.
hilts
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I don't understand how Labour do this stuff. Do the Parliamentary party get to vote 'no confidence' in him and then they have to hold another leadership contest? If so, surely the membership will just voted him in again? Or does he need the support of some MPs to even get to the vote by the membership?
Mind you, I think the Blairites have been looking for a reason to get rid of him. Their party membership overwhelmingly voted for him as leader, and the MPs have been looking for an excuse to get rid of him. One of their MPs is asking for Parliament to have a Commons vote to ignore the referendum result. So much for listening to the voters. Democracy eh?
They are basically trying to put pressure on him so he walks and he will no longer be up for any vote, I hope he just laughs it off and carries on. In any normal workplace this would be classed as bullying. They may as well wrote stinky Corbyn poo pants on the bog walls.
kaz7
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If no confidence vote goes against him and someone steps up to challenge him then there will be a new contest (i think that is how it goes),i'm hoping the grass roots see how ineffective he is and vote differently this time,depends who stands against him,i will vote for anyone of the others who put up a good case and looks electableI don't understand how Labour do this stuff. Do the Parliamentary party get to vote 'no confidence' in him and then they have to hold another leadership contest? If so, surely the membership will just voted him in again? Or does he need the support of some MPs to even get to the vote by the membership?
Mind you, I think the Blairites have been looking for a reason to get rid of him. Their party membership overwhelmingly voted for him as leader, and the MPs have been looking for an excuse to get rid of him. One of their MPs is asking for Parliament to have a Commons vote to ignore the referendum result. So much for listening to the voters. Democracy eh?
malg
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Hahaha......quality, they probably have!They are basically trying to put pressure on him so he walks and he will no longer be up for any vote, I hope he just laughs it off and carries on. In any normal workplace this would be classed as bullying. They may as well wrote stinky Corbyn poo pants on the bog walls.
Clevers
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They are basically trying to put pressure on him so he walks and he will no longer be up for any vote, I hope he just laughs it off and carries on. In any normal workplace this would be classed as bullying. They may as well wrote stinky Corbyn poo pants on the bog walls.
Probably because he couldn't decide whether or not to go to the toilet.