The next Prime Minister of Britain

[blueinsa]

I don't but his wife might.

Shit happens and whilst personally it wont be nice for her, him or their family, the general public wont give 2 shits imo.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Another reason the oaf will win is that he'll be prepared to lie more than the rest. And whilst other MPs can see him for the piece of shit he is, the public clearly can't.

 

[without a dream]

Shit happens and whilst personally it wont be nice for her, him or their family, the general public wont give 2 shits imo.

That's what I meant by it would be brave, for him personally, not in terms of how electable he is.

 

[blueinsa]

Another reason the oaf will win is that he'll be prepared to lie more than the rest. And whilst other MPs can see him for the piece of shit he is, the public clearly can't.

the public have no say, only MP's and members mate.

 

[Chippy_boy]

the public have no say, only MP's and members mate.

I wasn't suggesting it was open to 65m people to vote. Party members are members of the public.

EDIT:

The Tory party leader has always been chosen by the parliamentary party members, i.e. the Tory MP's. You have to ask yourself why this time it's being opened up to party members? Seems odd, no?

I think the reason is that Cameron wants Boris to get it (in more ways than one.) He knows that Boris would have little chance under the normal leadership election rules - the majority of Tory MPs didn't want Brexit and don't much like Boris anyway and they certainly don't thank him for what he's done.

The broader party however, love Boris. Cameron's opened up the vote imho so that Boris can have the job. Cameron thinks the job is a poisoned chalice and he's keen that Boris gets to trash his career over it. Fails to take us out? Career over. Takes us out on anything other than perfect terms? Career over. Presides over economic turmoil and decline? Career over. Loses a general election? Career over.

 

[blueinsa]

I wasn't suggesting it was open to 65m people to vote. Party members are members of the public.

An incredibly small percentage though mate.

Boris wont win either ;-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

An incredibly small percentage though mate.

Boris wont win either ;-)

Nevertheless what I meant was that party members, who are ordinary members of the public are being given the chance to vote for the leader of the Tory party, which is a break from the norm and one has to ask why, especially in the light of what happens when you give the public the reigns. You get Corbyn. And Brexit for that matter.

 

[Mike D]

 

[Chippy_boy]

Not sure which i'd "prefer" as our PM.

 

[blueinsa]

I wasn't suggesting it was open to 65m people to vote. Party members are members of the public.

EDIT:

The Tory party leader has always been chosen by the parliamentary party members, i.e. the Tory MP's. You have to ask yourself why this time it's being opened up to party members? Seems odd, no?

I think the reason is that Cameron wants Boris to get it (in more ways than one.) He knows that Boris would have little chance under the normal leadership election rules - the majority of Tory MPs didn't want Brexit and don't much like Boris anyway and they certainly don't thank him for what he's done.

The broader party however, love Boris. Cameron's opened up the vote imho so that Boris can have the job. Cameron thinks the job is a poisoned chalice and he's keen that Boris gets to trash his career over it. Fails to take us out? Career over. Takes us out on anything other than perfect terms? Career over. Presides over economic turmoil and decline? Career over. Loses a general election? Career over.

Members have voted on the leader since 2001 mate.

 

[waspish]

Who ever it will be he/she will be the sacrificial lamb once the article 50 is triggered then he/she will be outed within 12 months.

 

[cibaman]

Liam Fox couldn't lead a scouts group and Jeremy Hunt is deeply unpopular over his handling of the junior doctors dispute. Can't see either have any chance whatsoever.

I think it's 90% likely to be the blond oaf, with 9% chance to Theresa May and 1% bar.

Fox could be the "Stop Boris" candidate. Someone for the Leavers to vote for instead of Johnson. With some tactical voting from the Remainers he might push Johnson into the 3rd place in the MPs vote.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Fox could be the "Stop Boris" candidate. Someone for the Leavers to vote for instead of Johnson. With some tactical voting from the Remainers he might push Johnson into the 3rd place in the MPs vote.

I can only hope. I'd rather Terry Christian for PM than Boris.

 

[Mike D]

Not sure which i'd "prefer" as our PM.

Peas in the same pod both sing from the hymn sheet. Imagine the fun that they we will have?

 

[mackenzie]

You are assuming that the electorate do feel betrayed, nobody I Know who voted leave feels anything like that. What happened was they felt betrayed by the remain rhetoric,
and the result is now what we have. There is a desperate attempt now being played out by sore losers to suggest we were all 'duped,' have no idea what we have done, and therefore
need to be lead by the hand towards another referendum, well we don't, won't, and the dreadful apocalyptic economic crash (pound is now a massive 8 cents down against the Euro, check
out the historic levels over the last 10 years), the fragmentation of society, and all the other scenarios being painted by a hurting remain camp will be as nothing if the will of the people
is ignored.

edit; Please excuse this layout, not intentional, comp must be fucked!

I don't want another referendum. In fact I think that if one did take place then the situation could only get worse, for the reasons you cite.
What I'm pointing out is that if Brexit does not deliver the claims it put to those who voted for Leave then we will, potentially, have a very angry part of the populace. One that will get even angrier if UKIP whip them into a fervour.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Who ever it will be he/she will be the sacrificial lamb once the article 50 is triggered then he/she will be outed within 12 months.

It was a masterstroke by Call Me Dave to say that he would not be the one to do it and his successor would. That is the reason Boris had a face like a smacked ass instead of the beaming face you would expect, Old Shinyhead did his legs completely

 

[smudgedj]

Johnson as PM,
Leadsom as Chancellor,
Gove as Home Secretary and
Mogg (with quill pen and monocle) as Foreign Secretary

 

[chesterbells]

Who ever it will be he/she will be the sacrificial lamb once the article 50 is triggered then he/she will be outed within 12 months.

The timing of the next GE in relation to when article 50 is triggered will be interesting.
Are you saying a GE will likely follow soon after its triggered? Personally, I'd like to see a new Tory leader elected, and that leader then going to the country in a GE before then triggering 50. The Lib Dems have said they are going to stand as remain/return to EU candidates across the country - be fascinating to see how they do. If Labour hobble on with Jezza they'll get routed.

 

[BobKowalski]

The timing of the next GE in relation to when article 50 is triggered will be interesting.
Are you saying a GE will likely follow soon after its triggered? Personally, I'd like to see a new Tory leader elected, and that leader then going to the country in a GE before then triggering 50. The Lib Dems have said they are going to stand as remain/return to EU candidates across the country - be fascinating to see how they do. If Labour hobble on with Jezza they'll get routed.

I honestly don't see how they can avoid calling a GE before triggering Article 50. Pulling that trigger sets us on a course with a tight timetable and the EU holding the cards. The GE has to run on campaigns of what sort of relationship we want with the EU. Single market or not. Free movement or not or even stay and forget about leaving or stay with a new deal on immigration or whatever. For a new PM unelected by the country to trigger Article 50 would be suicide. To trigger it and then call an election and then lose leaving a new government and PM to deal with the negotiations would be insane.

If Johnson and May are making noises about taking over and running Parliament to its fixed term of 2020 then I suspect it's a way of putting the decision off until then. If the decision is delayed by any appreciable time then other factors may also come into play. If we are in recession do we trigger and risk making it worse? Further instability in the ME and raised threat levels. Govt postpones triggering to 'concentrate on battling terrorism', 'important that we cooperate with our European neighbours at this vital time' and so on.

I cannot see us even being close to working out some provisional exit plan until next year assuming the EU doesn't stick to its no trigger, no negotiations stance (I doubt they will) and then you run into German and French elections and what if the political landscape changes after these elections?

So many variables it makes you seriously wonder if there ever will be a right time to trigger Article 50.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It was a masterstroke by Call Me Dave to say that he would not be the one to do it and his successor would. That is the reason Boris had a face like a smacked ass instead of the beaming face you would expect, Old Shinyhead did his legs completely

Oh yes - that was a real " you dare fuck me over? Have some of this you dick head" moment.

Boris knows his tilt at the top job which he thought was his for the taking is either doomed to failure or doomed to be very short as he calls and election and tries to sell a Revised remain option after a 2nd Referendum on the terms of his deal to the electorate and gets 17.5mil voters rejecting him and his party

Meanwhile Dave will be sat at home with a glass of brandy watching the TV and thinking - " there you go ****. Getting a deal of any sort is tough but selling it back home is nigh on impossible. Karma eh BoJo - what a bitch"