The timing of the next GE in relation to when article 50 is triggered will be interesting.
Are you saying a GE will likely follow soon after its triggered? Personally, I'd like to see a new Tory leader elected, and that leader then going to the country in a GE before then triggering 50. The Lib Dems have said they are going to stand as remain/return to EU candidates across the country - be fascinating to see how they do. If Labour hobble on with Jezza they'll get routed.
I honestly don't see how they can avoid calling a GE before triggering Article 50. Pulling that trigger sets us on a course with a tight timetable and the EU holding the cards. The GE has to run on campaigns of what sort of relationship we want with the EU. Single market or not. Free movement or not or even stay and forget about leaving or stay with a new deal on immigration or whatever. For a new PM unelected by the country to trigger Article 50 would be suicide. To trigger it and then call an election and then lose leaving a new government and PM to deal with the negotiations would be insane.
If Johnson and May are making noises about taking over and running Parliament to its fixed term of 2020 then I suspect it's a way of putting the decision off until then. If the decision is delayed by any appreciable time then other factors may also come into play. If we are in recession do we trigger and risk making it worse? Further instability in the ME and raised threat levels. Govt postpones triggering to 'concentrate on battling terrorism', 'important that we cooperate with our European neighbours at this vital time' and so on.
I cannot see us even being close to working out some provisional exit plan until next year assuming the EU doesn't stick to its no trigger, no negotiations stance (I doubt they will) and then you run into German and French elections and what if the political landscape changes after these elections?
So many variables it makes you seriously wonder if there ever will be a right time to trigger Article 50.
I voted before most of the stupid claims were made by both sides I based my decision on the last 30 odd years in Europe so I in no way feel betrayed. The only thing that is being betrayed at the moment is Democracy even if any side had won by a single vote that will of the people should be followed to the letter by the MP's other wise what is the point?If the electorate feel betrayed by the Leave campaign's rhetoric then it could get very ugly indeed. That's democracy of course but BJ in particular will have a hell of a lot to answer for. If, as suspected, he has used this campaign as merely a jockeying for position for PM without even a thought that we would actually vote for Brexit then that is more than just deceitful and negligible.
What do you mean when you say 'followed to the letter', mate?I voted before most of the stupid claims were made by both sides I based my decision on the last 30 odd years in Europe so I in no way feel betrayed. The only thing that is being betrayed at the moment is Democracy even if any side had won by a single vote that will of the people should be followed to the letter by the MP's other wise what is the point?
Surely it means "do as instructed" ergo "leave the EU". That's how I read it.What do you mean when you say 'followed to the letter', mate?
On what terms? When?Surely it means "do as instructed" ergo "leave the EU". That's how I read it.
I'm sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.On what terms? When?
Oh you are awful.I'm sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.
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I voted before most of the stupid claims were made by both sides I based my decision on the last 30 odd years in Europe so I in no way feel betrayed. The only thing that is being betrayed at the moment is Democracy even if any side had won by a single vote that will of the people should be followed to the letter by the MP's other wise what is the point?
I see no problem at all in there being a a second vote at the end. Clearly the government now have to investigate what can be agreed to leave, whether that involves starting the Article 50 clock or not.
At some point in the future, there will come a time when the negotiations reach a final point, and the assessment of terms at that point can be agreed,
It may be that there is no 'win' scenario for the UK in the negotiations - if it turned out that tariffs were 20%, no-one was running care home or cleaning hospitals, income tax went up 10p, a complete absence of olive oil, etc and generally things had gone to wrack and ruin, enforcing that without the electorate seeing what it would cause and accepting it would seem stupid. (exaggeration of effects to make the point only). That's what Hunt said as far as I know, and seems fine to me.
Largely agree although starting Article 50 is a process you cannot stop which is why no one is in a rush to trigger it. The lack of a clear exit plan or roadmap to leave the EU from the Leave Campaign has proved to be its archilles heel. It's all very well demanding that we leave the EU but not outlining how, when and on what basis reduces it to little more than 17 million 'likes' on Facebook.
Largely agree although starting Article 50 is a process you cannot stop which is why no one is in a rush to trigger it. The lack of a clear exit plan or roadmap to leave the EU from the Leave Campaign has proved to be its archilles heel. It's all very well demanding that we leave the EU but not outlining how, when and on what basis reduces it to little more than 17 million 'likes' on Facebook.
"The lack of exit plan from the government of the day led by Cameron" is what you actually mean to say but cant quite bring yourself to admit.
I don't think that's the Leave campaign's fault, but I think it is a convenient oversight which made their case seem rosier.
A very convenient oversight. In any contest you need a strategy not only to win the battle but win the victory. This is like the Iraq war where we spend months winning it and then spend a decade wondering what the hell to do next.
There is nothing to back up the claim that once article 50 is triggered it is a process you cannot stop.Largely agree although starting Article 50 is a process you cannot stop which is why no one is in a rush to trigger it. The lack of a clear exit plan or roadmap to leave the EU from the Leave Campaign has proved to be its archilles heel. It's all very well demanding that we leave the EU but not outlining how, when and on what basis reduces it to little more than 17 million 'likes' on Facebook.