the truth hurtsI had the misfortune of getting the tram to wythenshawe hospital last week and was called a "fat man bag pussy ****" by a man wearing a string vest.
The joys of public transport.
the truth hurts
Didn't hurt me I was pissing myself
I had the misfortune of getting the tram to wythenshawe hospital last week and was called a "fat man bag pussy ****" by a man wearing a string vest.
The joys of public transport.
I had the misfortune of getting the tram to wythenshawe hospital last week and was called a "fat man bag pussy ****" by a man wearing a string vest.
The joys of public transport.
I've just received my young working visa to work in the UK for the next two years, and to be honest I don't really know what to expect know. I work as an economist in consulting, am a CA and was hoping to find some contracting work in financial services, but with the timing of this I'm not sure what impact Brexit will have on my prospects.
From an outsiders point of view it's interesting to see what the coverage has been. For those leave voters who are trying to distance themselves from the 'fringe' or perceived minority racist voters, the international coverage has firmly put these front and centre. Even in the Murdoch press here, the byline of an article on Who is Nigel Farage is 'Rise of Loonies and Closet Racists'. I am sure that the majority of the leave voters, are neither racist, nor support those causes, but it is naivety in the extreme and a case of having your cake and eating it to to try and claim that it is unfair that you will be tarred with the same brush. Overwhelming the coverage here in Oz has focused on the racial aspects when covering the leave campaign. You may not like it, and it very well may be the case of the media responding more to salacious and titillating aspects of the story, but that is the international view.
Getting back on topic in regards to rise in racism and specifically that video that was posted earlier. What was eye opening to me was the inaction by so many of the bystanders. It was shocking that so many didn't want to assist and were passive throughout. It's not my problem, someone else will deal with it. I can understand why though. One person standing up to three scrotes might get bashed. However if 5 or 6 people did, then there the power shifts. The comment by one of the women, obviously said in the heat of the moment, that they should stop because 'there's kids present' is equally eye opening. What does that have to do with anything? Racist language is wrong whatever context. This inaction of instances like this is shocking. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Note that accept doesn't mean condone or support.
Even here in Australia the immigrant card is wheeled out to great affect. with dog whistling connotations of racism. Just a few weeks back the immigration minister stated that most of the 'illegal' arrivals are illiterate and innumerate and will drain our resources, whilst concurrently stealing Australians jobs. This whipped up hysteria is shocking, but is a proven winner. The argument descends into zero sum gain calculations where peoples personal self interests are laid bare - that any support for migrants, is directly coming out of their pocket. The sad thing is that it works.
I'm a firm believer in migration. My dad was a refugee displaced by the second world war. Both he and my mum migrated from Europe to Australia where I've had such a lucky life. They were provided opportunities worked hard and made a significant contribution, like many migrants before and after them. The faced racism due to their accents, and their background. They did not teach me their mother tongues as they did not want me to be considered different - even to extent of sending me to a speech pathologist to correct things that I picked up from them. I already had a non-anglo last name, and they didn't want to add another aspect to differentiate me from others. Primary school is tough when you're different. But it's something I regret now as I have relatives that I can't converse with. And the thing is, is that these decisions were made in a comparatively tolerant Australia.
The thing is, it is hard to empathise with others when you don't live their lives. I broke my foot a few weeks back and was homebound for a month. It was frustrating to not be able to do simple things, but at least I knew it was temporary, but gave me some insight into what a harrowing life it must be for someone who is disabled permanently. When it comes to contentious issues like race it is important to check your privilege and consider what others might be going through.
Anyway, on a lighter note, i'll be in the UK soon, and thinking of hitting up the City/Bayern friendly, so hope to bump into some of you there...
I've just received my young working visa to work in the UK for the next two years, and to be honest I don't really know what to expect know. I work as an economist in consulting, am a CA and was hoping to find some contracting work in financial services, but with the timing of this I'm not sure what impact Brexit will have on my prospects.
From an outsiders point of view it's interesting to see what the coverage has been. For those leave voters who are trying to distance themselves from the 'fringe' or perceived minority racist voters, the international coverage has firmly put these front and centre. Even in the Murdoch press here, the byline of an article on Who is Nigel Farage is 'Rise of Loonies and Closet Racists'. I am sure that the majority of the leave voters, are neither racist, nor support those causes, but it is naivety in the extreme and a case of having your cake and eating it to to try and claim that it is unfair that you will be tarred with the same brush. Overwhelming the coverage here in Oz has focused on the racial aspects when covering the leave campaign. You may not like it, and it very well may be the case of the media responding more to salacious and titillating aspects of the story, but that is the international view.
Getting back on topic in regards to rise in racism and specifically that video that was posted earlier. What was eye opening to me was the inaction by so many of the bystanders. It was shocking that so many didn't want to assist and were passive throughout. It's not my problem, someone else will deal with it. I can understand why though. One person standing up to three scrotes might get bashed. However if 5 or 6 people did, then there the power shifts. The comment by one of the women, obviously said in the heat of the moment, that they should stop because 'there's kids present' is equally eye opening. What does that have to do with anything? Racist language is wrong whatever context. This inaction of instances like this is shocking. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Note that accept doesn't mean condone or support.
Even here in Australia the immigrant card is wheeled out to great affect. with dog whistling connotations of racism. Just a few weeks back the immigration minister stated that most of the 'illegal' arrivals are illiterate and innumerate and will drain our resources, whilst concurrently stealing Australians jobs. This whipped up hysteria is shocking, but is a proven winner. The argument descends into zero sum gain calculations where peoples personal self interests are laid bare - that any support for migrants, is directly coming out of their pocket. The sad thing is that it works.
I'm a firm believer in migration. My dad was a refugee displaced by the second world war. Both he and my mum migrated from Europe to Australia where I've had such a lucky life. They were provided opportunities worked hard and made a significant contribution, like many migrants before and after them. The faced racism due to their accents, and their background. They did not teach me their mother tongues as they did not want me to be considered different - even to extent of sending me to a speech pathologist to correct things that I picked up from them. I already had a non-anglo last name, and they didn't want to add another aspect to differentiate me from others. Primary school is tough when you're different. But it's something I regret now as I have relatives that I can't converse with. And the thing is, is that these decisions were made in a comparatively tolerant Australia.
The thing is, it is hard to empathise with others when you don't live their lives. I broke my foot a few weeks back and was homebound for a month. It was frustrating to not be able to do simple things, but at least I knew it was temporary, but gave me some insight into what a harrowing life it must be for someone who is disabled permanently. When it comes to contentious issues like race it is important to check your privilege and consider what others might be going through.
Anyway, on a lighter note, i'll be in the UK soon, and thinking of hitting up the City/Bayern friendly, so hope to bump into some of you there...
I've just received my young working visa to work in the UK for the next two years, and to be honest I don't really know what to expect know. I work as an economist in consulting, am a CA and was hoping to find some contracting work in financial services, but with the timing of this I'm not sure what impact Brexit will have on my prospects.
From an outsiders point of view it's interesting to see what the coverage has been. For those leave voters who are trying to distance themselves from the 'fringe' or perceived minority racist voters, the international coverage has firmly put these front and centre. Even in the Murdoch press here, the byline of an article on Who is Nigel Farage is 'Rise of Loonies and Closet Racists'. I am sure that the majority of the leave voters, are neither racist, nor support those causes, but it is naivety in the extreme and a case of having your cake and eating it to to try and claim that it is unfair that you will be tarred with the same brush. Overwhelming the coverage here in Oz has focused on the racial aspects when covering the leave campaign. You may not like it, and it very well may be the case of the media responding more to salacious and titillating aspects of the story, but that is the international view...
Interesting post with quite a few conflated ideas here.
1) Welcome to the UK when you come, you'll have a great time
2) You've noted that the press may be selective in its reporting and it is. But it is worth considering whether the media and those employed therein don't have a vested interest in remaining part of the EU or simply an eye for an opportunity for a bit of Brit-bashing. and judge what you read accordingly.
3) When the law and justice system supports those who intervene, more people will do so
4) Just be a bit careful when using phrases such as "even here in Australia" as though it is a model of tolerance for the rest of us to aspire to. It hasn't tolerated and wouldn't tolerate the same immigration rules as we have had to. Nor would the aboriginal population share your viewpoint
5) you'll find most of those who voted out are supporters of migration whatever you read in the press, particularly the overseas press.
6) general advice for a young man. Things change. Never build your long term career aspirations around an organisation or a set of circumstances that exist at a given moment as it can be whipped away in the blink of an eye. Remain flexible and mobile and you'll thrive.
7) i'm not sure it's right to suggest that people who voted out want to have their cake and eat it if they expect not to be "tarred with the same brush" by which I infer, you mean labelled racist. I wouldn't call a labour voter "naive in the extreme" for not expecting to be labelled Stalinist or a Tory voter Hitlerite. There's a personal judgement in this assertion you should probably avoid.
All the best.
1) Touch wood I do.
2) Speaking from a more external view, I was just noting that the press here, being further removed the debate then the UK press are, were highlighting the racial aspects of the leave campaign. By virtue of having 'less of a dog in the fight' their coverage, it could be argued, would be more objective and I found it interesting that they still focused on these aspects.
3) As far as I understand it's not against the law to tell some to be quiet and not racially abuse someone, which a lot of the people on that tram were not doing.
4) I'm not arguing Australia is a model of tolerance, and I gave plenty of examples where it's not (my own parents, and the racially tinged politicking). However having traveled a bit, from my experience, it is more tolerant then most, yet there is still the undercurrent of racism.
5) I never said that they weren't.
6) The reason i'm doing this move is exactly because things have changed. 12 months back had my life mapped out, yet the slate was wiped clean with a relationship breakdown. This is a chance to take a bit of a risk, chance my arm, and see what happens. Worst case scenario I can't find any decent work and give myself an extended holiday.
7) Having read through this entire thread I felt that there were some who were taking great umbrage at being grouped with the fringe and minority racist leave voters. I am the first to admit that generalising all for the actions/belief of a few is completely unfair, but by the same token, to express incredulity that some might, is naive. Especially, as has been pointed out, much of the coverage on the leave campaign was focused on racial/anti immigration lines.
I dont know how people can just stand there and watch or film somebody being racially abused. It would make my blood boil and somebody would be getting a swift kick in the bollocks
exactly....normal people on a tram....facing aggressive cunts with a bottle and who may have blades.............needs similar lads to confront them. See how long they last.Fear.
And self preservation.Fear.
I've just received my young working visa to work in the UK for the next two years, and to be honest I don't really know what to expect know. I work as an economist in consulting, am a CA and was hoping to find some contracting work in financial services, but with the timing of this I'm not sure what impact Brexit will have on my prospects.
From an outsiders point of view it's interesting to see what the coverage has been. For those leave voters who are trying to distance themselves from the 'fringe' or perceived minority racist voters, the international coverage has firmly put these front and centre. Even in the Murdoch press here, the byline of an article on Who is Nigel Farage is 'Rise of Loonies and Closet Racists'. I am sure that the majority of the leave voters, are neither racist, nor support those causes, but it is naivety in the extreme and a case of having your cake and eating it to to try and claim that it is unfair that you will be tarred with the same brush. Overwhelming the coverage here in Oz has focused on the racial aspects when covering the leave campaign. You may not like it, and it very well may be the case of the media responding more to salacious and titillating aspects of the story, but that is the international view.
Getting back on topic in regards to rise in racism and specifically that video that was posted earlier. What was eye opening to me was the inaction by so many of the bystanders. It was shocking that so many didn't want to assist and were passive throughout. It's not my problem, someone else will deal with it. I can understand why though. One person standing up to three scrotes might get bashed. However if 5 or 6 people did, then there the power shifts. The comment by one of the women, obviously said in the heat of the moment, that they should stop because 'there's kids present' is equally eye opening. What does that have to do with anything? Racist language is wrong whatever context. This inaction of instances like this is shocking. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Note that accept doesn't mean condone or support.
Even here in Australia the immigrant card is wheeled out to great affect. with dog whistling connotations of racism. Just a few weeks back the immigration minister stated that most of the 'illegal' arrivals are illiterate and innumerate and will drain our resources, whilst concurrently stealing Australians jobs. This whipped up hysteria is shocking, but is a proven winner. The argument descends into zero sum gain calculations where peoples personal self interests are laid bare - that any support for migrants, is directly coming out of their pocket. The sad thing is that it works.
I'm a firm believer in migration. My dad was a refugee displaced by the second world war. Both he and my mum migrated from Europe to Australia where I've had such a lucky life. They were provided opportunities worked hard and made a significant contribution, like many migrants before and after them. The faced racism due to their accents, and their background. They did not teach me their mother tongues as they did not want me to be considered different - even to extent of sending me to a speech pathologist to correct things that I picked up from them. I already had a non-anglo last name, and they didn't want to add another aspect to differentiate me from others. Primary school is tough when you're different. But it's something I regret now as I have relatives that I can't converse with. And the thing is, is that these decisions were made in a comparatively tolerant Australia.
The thing is, it is hard to empathise with others when you don't live their lives. I broke my foot a few weeks back and was homebound for a month. It was frustrating to not be able to do simple things, but at least I knew it was temporary, but gave me some insight into what a harrowing life it must be for someone who is disabled permanently. When it comes to contentious issues like race it is important to check your privilege and consider what others might be going through.
Anyway, on a lighter note, i'll be in the UK soon, and thinking of hitting up the City/Bayern friendly, so hope to bump into some of you there...