Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

blueparrot said:
Scotland, is your proof, if Labour cant get Scotland back they cant win an election, in the Scottish parliament elections, they got pushed into third place. I guess you'll blame the scottish labour party, but unless Corbyn can win in Scotland he cant win. Unless he can win over floating voters and win seats in middle England he cant win.
Winning over grassroot labour voters isnt enough he has to get voters that voted for Cameron, like it or not its a fact shown over the last 40 years.
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I wouldn't blame the Scottish Labour Party, is just say that the SNP have got their act together. Strategically, giving the Scots a vote on independence was a brilliant move by the Conservatives. The SNP are the only Scottish party, so getting a shit load of Jocks hyped up about independence was always going to win the SNP votes.

I genuinely believe the bloke should get himself on telly a lot more. Like I said, I'm absolutely not a Leftie, but every single time I've seen this bloke on telly he comes across well. He just appears to talk sense. Mind you, each time I've seen him it's been on Andrew Marr, and he's definitely Left leaving, but it didn't appear to me that he gave Corbyn an easy ride.
 
urban genie said:
Decent read

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...bour-before-they-were-even-born-a7136711.html
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It's all very strange.

I hail from Govan in Glasgow (moved to Manchester when I was 10). My family background is staunch Labour, dyed in the wool. However, I didn't take to the party or their ideas, and have been pretty middle of the road - I've voted Conservative, Lib Dem and recently voted for an independent fella in the local elections, I've never voted Labour. My mum has always hated Conservatives, and absolutely despised Thatcher - I quite liked Thatcher, that's why I voted for them. My mum is now considering voting Conservative because she doesn't like Corbyn, and actually likes Teresa May - I couldn't believe it when she told me about May. However, I think she's more surprised about me saying I like listening to Corbyn, I find the guy interesting. It may also be that I fucking despise bullies, and what I get from the Labour Party at the minute is a bunch of bullying cunts trying to get their own way, and using the media to do their bidding, and this guy standing up to them. However, I would definitely consider voting Labour after listening to him.

Just my opinion though, but I'm sticking to it.

Interesting times.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 1h1 hour ago
Brighton CLP, a massive 6,000 members strong, has just been suspended by Labour HQ after voting overwhelmingly confidence in Jeremy Corbyn.



What on earth is going on?
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As far as I am aware a suspended clp's members can still vote in the election, my clp Gorton is suspended but we have been told our individual membership hasn't, though nothing has been clarified
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
It's fantasy and reality colliding.
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It does seem that things aren't exactly harmonious

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-branch-amid-accusations-of-improper-ballot

I quite like the prospect of mandatory re-selection being introduced. At the moment I'm not convinced that enough moderate MPs would join a new party to give it critical mass. But if all MPs face re-selection, and they target the likes of Alan Johnson, the breakaway Labour group would probably gain more MPs than the rump and become the official opposition.
 
I've just received as urged from my blarite MP to fill in. It asks me about what I see as important as an LP member but won't let me rate workers rights, but I'm allowed to give a full 9 points to less business regulation. It follows up with asking who I think would make the best labour PM. Speaking to friends in other CLP's they've received the same from theirs too.

I hope it's just a glitch the survey and not gerrymandering on his part...
 
cibaman said:
It does seem that things aren't exactly harmonious

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-branch-amid-accusations-of-improper-ballot

I quite like the prospect of mandatory re-selection being introduced. At the moment I'm not convinced that enough moderate MPs would join a new party to give it critical mass. But if all MPs face re-selection, and they target the likes of Alan Johnson, the breakaway Labour group would probably gain more MPs than the rump and become the official opposition.
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What has happened in brighton has been brewing and it's disgracefull, the labour councilor involved is more to the right and the CLP has constantly backed jezza, last week the progress side were out threatening and intimidating members to stay away if they supported corbyn (Same has happened in gorton, but our chair complained about the right bullying and we are now suspended too). But the chair of clp contacted the members and told them to come out in force despite the bullying and vote for corbyn, which they did the said councilor has cried it's not fair, the spineles weasel has now reported them. McNicol is a tosser though and will suspend any corbyn backing CLP if he can get a reason. Labour is gonna explode if this caries on

Oh well I am at ringway going to thailand, up inTaksin supporting country in a rice farming village so my left wing defense will be wifi dependant, will have to leave it to the few that are left (note the last comment is after 4 pints at the airport and not a reflection on the political leaning of the forum 'hic')
 
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malg said:
It's all very strange.

I hail from Govan in Glasgow (moved to Manchester when I was 10). My family background is staunch Labour, dyed in the wool. However, I didn't take to the party or their ideas, and have been pretty middle of the road - I've voted Conservative, Lib Dem and recently voted for an independent fella in the local elections, I've never voted Labour. My mum has always hated Conservatives, and absolutely despised Thatcher - I quite liked Thatcher, that's why I voted for them. My mum is now considering voting Conservative because she doesn't like Corbyn, and actually likes Teresa May - I couldn't believe it when she told me about May. However, I think she's more surprised about me saying I like listening to Corbyn, I find the guy interesting. It may also be that I fucking despise bullies, and what I get from the Labour Party at the minute is a bunch of bullying cunts trying to get their own way, and using the media to do their bidding, and this guy standing up to them. However, I would definitely consider voting Labour after listening to him.

Just my opinion though, but I'm sticking to it.

Interesting times.
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That was well put...but...does it really, really concern you that much about staunch 'Labour' or staunch whatever? Should we not now be free from the shackles of 'labels'. and just vote for whoever we feel have our own, and more importantly. the countries best interests at heart?
 
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/14/everything-you-need-to-know-about-theresa-may-s-brexit
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/14/everything-you-need-to-know-about-theresa-may-s-brexit
steviemc said:
Typical waffle by Ian Dunt...nuff said. Urban dictionary is your friend :-)
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Waffle? Depressingly precise, I'd say. The business about not negotiating trade deals till we're out of the EU (so would revert to WTO tariffs) needs further exploration though: it might be the legal position but if we did it, what sanctions are there? The EU might kick us out of the EU? The bottom line is that those who wanted out at all costs are few - and then you have to believe Farage that the whole EU enterprise is doomed and any short term pain (and there's plenty already) is worth it in the long run (when he'll be dead and most of the age group who voted out), those who just wanted immigrants to go home will only get their way if the economy tanks and their prospects simply become better back home, those who believed the NHS would be saved by Brexit are either just daft or incredibly credulous, those who wanted to kick the "elites" who've been kicking them (especially those who never voted before) have just handed the elites a bigger boot. And I've only got one real test for May's conversion to social justice: if she wants more housing, stop the right-to-buy nonsense for housing associations - because if the economy tanks they'll be the only people building homes.
 
law74 said:
At least that would save the blairites the embarrassment of de-selection
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De-selection is a very bad idea for the Corbynistas. It will just push the breakaway group's numbers up to the 150 mark. Making them the official opposition and Corbyn's mob the minority party.
 
cibaman said:
De-selection is a very bad idea for the Corbynistas. It will just push the breakaway group's numbers up to the 150 mark. Making them the official opposition and Corbyn's mob the minority party.
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Which will make perpetual Tory rule, for the next decade at least, inevitable. I've said it before, but the lack of awareness about the political landscape in this country from the hard left is truly astonishing. It's a classic case of hope triumphing over reality. It's what happens when you surround yourself with people whose outlook on the world is the same as your own; you then start to believe that this is what the population at large also think and believe.
 
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